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⌈ Secret Post #2656 ⌋

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BuckyNat shippers are so obnoxious with their "b-b-but it's canon in the comics, we're the best ship!1!" crap. I can't help but feel a lot of mirth over how Steve/Bucky has completely overshadowed everything in the wake of Winter Soldier.

I don't like Bucktasha, but frankly I feel no mirth over the fact that ANOTHER two white dudes pairing has overshadowed everything in the MCU fandom.

(The Sam/Steve was stronger anyway.)

(The Sam/Steve was stronger anyway.)

Yeah, but Buck/Steve has a better, more poignant story to it and provides tons of opportunities considering all the history there. In the end, angsty ships tend to overpower bromance ones (hence why Bruce/Tony is nowhere near as popular as, say, Steve/Tony, Thor/Loki, or Loki/Tony).

'a better, more poignant story'

disagree.

Your opinion sucks.

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iggy - 2014-04-12 01:06 (UTC) - Expand

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iggy - 2014-04-12 02:36 (UTC) - Expand

I loved Sam/Steve but then Steve went and literally de-brainwashed Bucky with the power of his love.

I found their friendship in the first film one of the weaker aspects of it. Not that I didn't buy that they cared about each other, but it just wasn't INTERESTING. Peggy, Erskine, and Phillips all interested me more. So yeah, not seeing it.

Even if I were though it's par for the course with MCU fandom and I shouldn't be surprised.

Well, I do think "de-brainwashing with the power of love" was what they were going for, what with Steve refusing to fight and "I'm with you till the end of the line" and everything. Whether it worked for you or not is a personal thing.

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Sometimes I wish I were still capable of being surprised by that. Yes, you're right that Sam/Steve is stronger. No, that's not going to overcome the fact that Bucky's white.

People aren't being deliberately racist, I don't think, just that the parasocial headspace of slash pairings doesn't really have room for Other markers.

Pretty much all of this. I agree. It's disappointing though.

I won't argue that there's obvious unfortunate racial issues at work here, but keep in mind that Sam/Steve and Steve/Bucky offer vastly different dynamics. As anon mentioned above, Sam/Steve is more of a simple, fluffy bromance kind of thing and those ships never do as well when it comes to ones full of angst or hatesex, regardless of how white the people involved are. The only time I've ever seen the BROTP ship out-popular the angst ship is in the Free! fandom.

I definitely think Sam/Steve would present more of a "ship competition" if Sam was white, but I don't think it could've rivaled Steve/Bucky either way, between the fact that Steve/Bucky have ~history and the way Bucky's character pushes every single one of fandom's hurt/comfort buttons.

this.

Yes, you're right that Sam/Steve is stronger. No, that's not going to overcome the fact that Bucky's white.

What.

Anon, the movie all but worshiped the Bucky/Steve. From the de-brainwashing to the "shared life experiences" line to the "till the end of the line" deathpact to the "I'm going after him" ending. You don't have to ship it or think they had the most chemistry, but don't pretend there isn't basis.

(For me personally, I didn't understand Sam's almost immediate loyalty to Steve. Still don't--the timeline just made it seem really weird to me. Of course, I'm not a huge fan of the comics, so maybe that's something that makes more sense in there.)

lol i doubt it was deliberate but the "no natasha i'm not gonna ask out these girls, i want someone who's had similar life experiences" *ENTER BUCKY* thing is still so amusing to me.

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One of my personal favorite moments that I think deserves more appreciation is when Sam tells Steve "he's not the kind you save, he's the kind you stop" and Steve's just like yeah whatever, let's go steal my old uniform. Like, it's never even a question for him. He's gonna save Bucky or he's gonna die trying.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-12 03:37 (UTC) - Expand

Why does everything have to be about race? Most people who ship Steve/Bucky ship them because of their history as childhood friends and the way they do so much for each other, and were basically the most important person in the other's life. It just happens that they're both white. I'm all for Sam/Steve, but they've literally just met.

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iggy - 2014-04-12 08:10 (UTC) - Expand

da

(Anonymous) - 2014-04-12 17:09 (UTC) - Expand

You sound white.

(Anonymous) - 2014-04-12 07:06 (UTC) - Expand

Oh, cool. Another ship to add to the If You Don't Ship This, You're Racist List. The internet is fucking exhausting.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-12 07:47 (UTC) - Expand

Bitch, you're white. Sit down.

Fucker, you're braindead. Shut up.

I feel no mirth over the fact that ANOTHER two white dudes pairing has overshadowed everything in the MCU fandom.

That right there pretty much sums up my entire MCU fandom experience.

She said, with a white thin straight woman icon.

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