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[ SECRET POST #2661 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2661 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Injustice: Gods Among Us]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[William Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus]

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[Welcome to Night Vale]

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[Crown of Stars]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?]

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[LOST]

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[Riff-Raff, Rocky Horror Picture Show]

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[Captain America: The Winter Soldier]

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[Breaking Bad]

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[Problem Sleuth]

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[Doctor Who]

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Batman and Superman can't kill not just because of their moral code but because they don't want to be seen as being the monsters they fight. That the common man doesn't have to worry about them attacking them for whatever. If Batman kills the Joker because he is corrupt. What's there to stop Batman from putting a bullet in every politicians head? God knows most of them are corrupt in some shape or form. What's to stop him from threatening the lives of their loved ones to make sure everyone plays nice? It's not their place to do so. It's the society's place to make sure the Joker doesn't escape. It's Batman and Superman's place to make sure the Joker returns to people for his punishment.

The slippery slope matters when you have powers and means that they do. That they are indeed "Gods amongst men."

And it's not just the slippery slope you have to worry about but how society sees them. Do you really want a world wide panic to happen because Superman decided to go rogue? There goes the stock market.

"corrupt politician" is not directly responsible for numerous mass mass murders oh my god

Tell that to a couple of hundred thousand Iraqis since 2003. Or any survivors of a Yemeni wedding. Yeah, our politicians have just as much blood on their hands as the Joker.

So, Superman should be able to just go up and murder them? All of them?

You want a fascist state?

You know what you get when you start that?

INJUSTICE SUPERMAN :p

Truth be told, I love that comic. (Haven't played the game yet. But I want to.)

Well, couldn't society/the court/whoever sentence the Joker to death and then give a kill order for him or something, or nominate Batman/Superman as the executioner? Or, on one of those times when they manage to drag the Joker to prison (because it does keep happening) they take him to be executed and just have Batman/Superman standing guard to make sure it all goes smoothly.

It seems to me like if society at large is really insistent on having the Joker six feet under this should be quite possible to achieve.

Last time the Joker was sentenced to death, Batman got him off on a technicality (the technicality being that technically he hadn't committed *that* murder). There is also the thorny problem that, in the DC-verse (or at least the oldDCU, nuDCU is still up for grabs) that even hell might just be another cardboard prison for the Joker and he'd be back in the mortal realm within a few days and now with super-demon powers.

See, Batman getting him off there would piss me off like crazy.

The hell thing is not actually Batman's fault but yeah, might contribute to why I'm not enamored with Batman these days... that stuff just frustrates me, so many crazy plot-gymnastics just to keep the Joker alive. //sigh

Well see, that actually made sense though.

Batman couldn't abide the actual murderer getting away. Of course, catching the criminal meant exonerating the Joker.

It's really every other part of the Gotham Justice system that's failled, since there were so many other murders they could have tried him for save that one.

I mean seriously, how has a politican not run on a "lets get the death penalty in Gotham" platform? Hell, how has every politician not?

Yeah, you'd think by now they have enough crimes on him that once they've got him in one place for half an hour they could convict. I mean where the fuck is the jury who would NOT convict the Joker???

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ketita - 2014-04-17 00:55 (UTC) - Expand

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I mean seriously, how has a politican not run on a "lets get the death penalty in Gotham" platform? Hell, how has every politician not?
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I'm guessing through either being bribed/blackmailed/intimidated out of it by the criminals in question, or if not accepting of bribes, then killed by them.

Can you imagine the campaign press-launch?

Reporter: So Mister Smith you are running on a zero-tolerance policy for criminals in Gotham and closure of Arkam?

Mr Smith: Yes, I ah-hahhahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAH! [slumps forward with huge smile on his face and an umbrella in his back].

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To be fair to Batman, if the Joker got executed for a murder that someone else committed then it means the real killer got away with it, and that is not a good thing at all. Even if Batman waited until after the execution to reveal that "oops, executed the wrong guy oh well it was only the Joker" it still increases the chances of the right murderer getting off because their slimy defence attorney (and is there any other kind in Gotham?) could parlay that into reasonable doubt on the old "well we laready executed one wrong guy, do you the jury want to take the chance of making it two?". Which has happened in the real world, juries don't like convicting on cases where one person has already been wrongly convicted on even if the evidence is impressive against the new guy. One of the problems with the DP is that you have to execute the right person each and every time to keep faith in the system.

Well, if they don't want there to be panic or to be viewed as monsters...don't do it on live TV? I imagine that Superman and Batman (two dudes who have been hiding their identity forever) can't kill and hide a dead body.

And I really doubt some cop or reporter is going to be like, "Man. That clown who keeps murdering kids disappeared. Someone start a missing person's case!"

And there is a huge difference between a corrupt politician and someone that murders people over and over and over and over, who escapes from prison over and over and over, and who can only be defeated by one person.

Honestly, if I lived in Gotham and this asshole dressed like bat kept letting the murdering clown loose, I'd already hate him.

But it's Batman who isn't letting the clown loose. It's society, namely the police and mental hospital. It's not like Batman is opening the door and saying, "BE FREE!!!" It's more of Bruce coming across a breaking news report that the Joker is loose again and he has to go out and catch him. AGAIN!

If anyone is to blame it's the court system. They are the ones who say that Joker should be allowed to live. They are the ones who are not making sure that he is being housed in a place that can hold him. It's not Batman's place to do such things. He is not an officer of the law.

Think Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald killed JFK. Ruby killed Oswald. People weren't hailing Ruby as a hero for killing him. Why? Because it wasn't Ruby's place. He was not an officer of the law. Society did not give him permission to kill Oswald. And that's what is happening here too. Society has given Superman and Batman permission to fight the bad guys on their behalf but not kill them.

But Jack Ruby was killing a man who was already arrested (and who only killed one person). And while no once considers him a hero, no one is saying that he is a super evil person (no more than any other murderer).

The Joker has killed and escaped repeatedly. Obviously the court system in Gotham can't handle supervillains (which is why they need a superhero). So why does Batman keep sending him right back to the place Batman knows he will escape from? Hell, if he doesn't want to kill him, Batman can make his own prison in the middle of Antarctica.

Because once Batman takes over the duties of the justice system entirely - not only apprehending villains, but deciding and doling out their punishments - he basically becomes the system. And there's no good ending to one man being in charge of what's just and what isn't. Especially not a man like Batman, who is perpetually one last straw away from just bombing Arkham and ending the farce. I think Batman gives himself limitations because he lives on the thin line between being a hero and being a dictator. He could easily be running Gotham with the police as his personal lackeys and yeah, private prisons where he puts everyone he deems dangerous; he could become what he fights without even noticing until it's too late.

It sounds like the solution would be for Batman to officially ally with Gotham police. He has no superpowers, just training and equipment. His equipment is reproducible, and he's trained apprentices before. Why have one Batman acting outside the law when you can have many Batman working within it?

(Did I just suggest mirror universe Anarky?)

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It isn't the asshole dressed as a Bat that keeps setting the Joker loose, it is the asshole dressed as a rich asshole in the mayor's office who won't forkout for better security in Arkham or Not-Alcatraz. And the assholes in the DC Federal Government who will neither charge the Joker federally (despite there being enough grounds) or transfer him to a federal supermax. Or the assholes dressed as Gotham police officers, who apparently don't do jack all day because they rely on the asshole dressed as a bat to do it all for them. The Asshole dressed as the Bat is the only one even keeping Gothamites slightly safe for short periods of time.

I do not dispute that Bruce is an Asshole though. This is a known.

I do not dispute that Bruce is an Asshole though. This is a known.

Everyone who knows him would probably agree. Hell, Bruce would probably agree too.

Well, Batboy could make people safer for longer periods of time if he just shot the damn Joker. I don't care if it is against his moral code or this is not what society wants him to do. You can totally say it is the government that is letting the Joker free over and over, but the government is not society. Especially in a place like Gotham were government is probably corrupt as hell.

I hope I am not coming off as too aggressive. :P

I've always wondered why anyone would voluntarily live in Gotham. Sure, some of them are probably too poor to move, but it seems like anyone with any resources wold be moving the minute they could.

I know right? Or why would you live in any major city. Eventually there is going to be a supervillain attack.

Because that's where all the delicious food is. It's either Gotham or being stuck in the middle of North Dakota where the most exciting thing food-wise is the local Taco Bell.