[ SECRET POST #2667 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2667 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/7LEsuQJ.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

>Pakistani
>Something even approaching empowering for women

Pick one.

[silverr]

Or you know, just maybe OP's co-worker is an admirer of Malala Yousafzai.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but the fact that people TRIED TO KILL HER because she was saying that girls in her country should be allowed to learn to read, which the majority of them were and are not, kinda says something about that culture. Pakistan is HELLA misogynistic, there's literally no way anyone can argue about that.

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if they'll acknowledge Mohammed had sex with a nine year old girl.

[cushlamochree]

You know, it'd probably have been more effective if you'd just left it at the one troll comment

[(Anonymous)]

Read up on Islam betch

[(Anonymous)]

And the bible is totally down with slavery and polygamy and cruel punishment for minor offenses. Just because it's part of our past doesn't mean it has to be part of our present.

[(Anonymous)]

Historical evidence points to her being 18, not 9.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is that whore not covering her harlot body

[(Anonymous)]

Do they even like comics? Because if not, then yeah, there's not really a way to recommend this without coming off as a bit racist.

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if her arch enemy will be Ben Grimm.

[vethica]

Aww, you are just trying so hard, aren't you?

[(Anonymous)]

Then recommend it because it's a new series that you find awesome and want to share. Recommend it because you think your coworker and his daughter would enjoy it since it fits your coworker's taste or sense of humor or interest and is age appropriate for his daughter. Recommend it for all these reasons and because you believe it's something you would have enjoyed sharing with your father.

DO NOT recommend it because "oh look, you guys have the same skin color!". Do you even know if, beyond skin color, your coworker shares any cultural traits with the heroin? Even if he does, would he he really appreciate some random American's take on it? In a comic? Would he care at all about the heroin's skin color? Remember, race as Americans see it is a super reductive concept. Things such as culture, ethnicity or religion have a much larger impact than you'd imagine. Two people can share the same skin color and literally nothing else so if you imagine that just because they share a color or a country of origin this means they'll automatically identify with her you might be dead wrong.

Basically, if you have a good reason to recommend it then please do and share your passion with your coworker. If your only reason to recommend it
is because of the main character's race, then please abstain.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, I just can't take this comment seriously because 'heroin'. *laughing forever*

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, pretty much.

Also, THANK YOU for acknowledging this:

"race as Americans see it is a super reductive concept."

[sarillia]

I think this is good advice in general but it depends on the recommend-ee. I like looking at portrayals of people with disabilities in media and I have friends who recommend stuff to me based on the fact that they have well-done disabled characters. If OP's friend would see "awesome Muslim heroine" as a plus then I think OP should go ahead and recommend the series.

[iceyred]

You're very self-righteous about this.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well in this case the author herself is a Mulsim woman, of middle eastern descent, so it's not really just a random American's take, and part of the books themes deal with the way many Americans view ethnicity. One of the supporting characters is a particularly clueless concern troll.

I'm Canadian btw not that there's much difference sometimes. I relate to a lot of the themes explored in the book for different reasons than "the heroine looks like me."

I do in fact know that there are some shared cultural elements in both the book and my coworker's life since he has shared some of that culture with me (I have several Pakistani and Indian coworkers so discussion of culture is fairly common since I'm quite often the outsider in a group of four or five during discussions), though he is the only one who has a daughter for whom the material would be age appropriate.

From what I've seen they're a progressive, and liberal family but also still traditional and religious... the family presented in the comic is a bit more conservative and less religious (except for the main character's older brother).

Basically I'm trans and I would have loved to be introduced to a character who was "like me," in comics when I was young... I realize that's not exactly the same thing... but I also love to share good comics with people, especially introducing girls and women to role models who kick ass!

But yeah I still don't know.

[(Anonymous)]

If you do want to recommend it, (and I'm all for recommending awesome comics to people's daughters!), maybe also recommend stuff that you think she'd like aside from Ms. Marvel as well? Then it's not a race thing, but just general recs for their kid.

Something like "hey, coworker, I know you have a daughter, and I think she'd like these books" and then give a list of things. Personally, I'd give Ms. Marvel, Princeless and Batman: Li'l Gotham as recs for kids/young teens.

[(Anonymous)]

If he and his daughter have an interest in Pakistani protagonists, I don't see the problem.

[(Anonymous)]

So I'm guessing she is of Pakistani descent? I think that would be awesome to recommend to your coworker, assuming there's reason to think he and his daughter like comics. Why wouldn't you? Like, if there was an Australian superhero, wouldn't you want to recommend the book to your Australian friend? I think you're overthinking this.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk I might think it was pretty neat if there had never been a comic character of my ethnicity and then I found out there was. If she's as cool as all that, rec it anyway on the grounds of coolness, the ethnicity can be a bonus or sth.

[truxillogical]

Rec it because it's got a cool teenage girl protagonist and is written to take into account young girls as an audience.

But I do know that awkward feel. Back when I worked at a public library, one of the regulars (who was Hispanic) had a little boy who really made me think of Miles Morales, and I really wanted to tell her, "Hey, y'all should give this a try." Of course, it's a little trickier to recommend a specific Spider-man book to a non-comic-reading parent out of the several that we had on the shelves ("no, not that one, the other Spider-man one") and honestly, on that desk, almost anything could potentially read as overstepping your bounds (like asking patrons not to put their children on top of the desk).

Possible Stretegy

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe pick like one or two other titles you also feel strongly about (such as one of the Carol Danvers Captain/Miss Marvel stuff, if you're inclined), and recommend all of them together. That way it won't seem like your singling that particular comic out for them. It's a bit of a cop out, but a way to diffuse the potential awkward feeling when recommending it.