[ SECRET POST #352 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #352 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 10 pages, 250 secrets from Secret Submission Post #051.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] too big, [ 1 ] hate letter.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Monday, December 24th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[drworm.livejournal.com]

3. Trying being a gay guy in fandom. :/ Not the best place to try to find potential sexual partners, let me tell you Internet...

25. TOBE OR NOT TOBE

I love the British version yay. :)

32. Yeah, the anatomy on that is shit, as is the coloring. But there ain't nothing wrong with fat-bottomed girls, so don't be hatin'.

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[kyriesanctus.livejournal.com]

That's partly because it isn't the finished version.

Here it is finished. (http://keysha-chan.deviantart.com/art/Keira-coloured-71873063)

Re: 32

[drworm.livejournal.com]

Still pretty bad. Needs some color theory and life drawing classes, stat.

Re: 32

[kyriesanctus.livejournal.com]

Wow, and you can do better?

If you can, man up. I'd like to see it.

Re: 32

[drworm.livejournal.com]

That's a common fallacy, that one needs to be the bestest artist ever in order to criticize, but hey. I will indulge you. This (http://dr-worm.deviantart.com/) is my deviantart, most of that shit is old though. My y-gallery (http://yaoi.y-gallery.net/user/drworm/) is marginally more up-to-date. Both could have been found by going to my profile. My website has some stuff too, though a lot of it is also old (since I've been drawing for about eight years and have been in art school/s for about 4).

Re: 32

[kyriesanctus.livejournal.com]

It's not that someone has to be the 'bestest artist ever' in order to critique someone, but, they must have at least a little bit of an eye for artwork and techinique in order to correctly critique someone, otherwise it goes from being a critique to a flame, like, "needs life drawing lessons stat." Surely you wouldn't want someone whose biggest artistic accomplishment is a stick figure to say your artwork lacks anatomical realism and that your coloring is as deep as a puddle.

Judging from the portfolio you've presented, you don't have much room to talk to Keysha-chan specifically, seeing as your style is dramatically different from her's. Her anatomy, in her style, is roughly just as good as yours in your style, and I personally prefer her coloring over yours. It ends up being a matter of opinion at that point...

The difference between the two of you? I know her, not very personally, but I do know she'd be one of the last people on Earth to tell someone they need to go take classes in a harsh and hurtful manner. So, yeah, by saying things that make you sound like a douche, you really did need to 'put up or shut up.'

Not the person you're replying to

[(Anonymous)]

Just a re: to the art of criticizing, apparently.

Saying that someone needs to have any sort of art skills to know something about colouring is like saying you have to be a sous-chef to appreciate a fine meal.

It just doesn't work that way. Sometimes, the person with the most fucked drawing skills may have the world's best eye for anatomy, or perspective, or colouring.

Re: Not the person you're replying to

[kyriesanctus.livejournal.com]

That person, then, is qualified to say something..

What I meant was that you wouldn't want someone who didn't know what something was supposed to look like to talk trash about something you made.

Also, there's a polite way to say everything, you know? It's called constructive criticism, and, this may not be your policy, but, I've always found that helpful critiques are worth more than mean-spirited and harsh ones, and I make sure to always be helpful if I'm going to critique someone, because that's what I'd want someone to do for me.

Re: Not the person you're replying to

[(Anonymous)]

True, I didn't approve of the snobby way the guy was trying to explain things to you, but not being able to draw something =/= not knowing what it looks like.

Re: 32

[drworm.livejournal.com]

Oh hey, I was bored so I did this mock-up real quick (w/ no reference):



Hate to break it to you, but your friend doesn't have an actual style, the kind that comes from drawing for years and working on vastly different projects and developing intellectual and motor skills. She has an amateur's animu style. As, I will be fair, did I when I was a sophomore or junior in high school. No, her anatomy is not good. There are errors in her drawing that have nothing to do with "style," which the secret-poster redlined (she didn't redline damn near enough, in my opinion). Yes, I'm harsh, because artists hate to hear that there are errors in their work and then people leap to defend them and that just makes it worse. If you can't see the errors, you can't fix them, and part of learning to see as an artist is about recognizing errors.

I may be a douche, but I'm at least a fairly effective one when it comes to critique.

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[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Hot.

And that's really all I have to offer.

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[drworm.livejournal.com]

:D Thank you very much!

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[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

Wow uh.

I'd rather have hers.

Like...a lot. That's uh...wow.

Guess that's the funny thing about art. It's a matter of taste. But uh...wow. Nice uh...scrible demon-person-thing there.

Re: 32

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'd rather have Dr Worm's too. Hers actually looks like a person instead of a malformed demon-thing. That's the thing about art, though: I'd rather have something that's unfinished but looks good than a completed picture that looks awful.

Re: 32

[drworm.livejournal.com]

ur racist against scribble demons

what r her eyes not big and glittery enough or sumthin?

oops wrong fuck you icon haha

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[gallo-de-pelea.livejournal.com]

This kind of info is much better than "needs life drawing stat"

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[drworm.livejournal.com]

but it takes longer to write and my hands are tired :(

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[(Anonymous)]

i for 1 am not impressed wit ur chickenscratch drawing u made the pose look dumb when it was supposd 2 b CUTE DUH

also theres a diffrence btween anime and rael ppl OK

u dont want 2 help u just want 2 b bitchy and mean when ur art sux

get a new hobby OK

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[(Anonymous)]

Very, very nice.

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[simmysim.livejournal.com]

I love seeing the artist's original scribbles, and yeah, this is just lovely.

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[(Anonymous)]

oh hi i fixed your drawing and made it more kawaii~~~~

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[drworm.livejournal.com]

You have improved upon my art in a way I never thought possible. Godspeed, young'un! *salutes*

Re: 32

[lauraorganasolo.livejournal.com]

I must preface this with the fact that I have no idea who the character or the artist is. Also, I can't draw for beans.

Just because it's vaguely reminiscent of anime doesn't make it amateur. What about the boring, overdone style of Western superhero comic book characters that comics have been inundated with for 40 years? Does that mean that everyone who draws vaguely correctly proportioned but generic-looking, square-jawed Caucasian men SRS PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS?

If #32 looked like a copy of a super-popular anime artist's/mangaka's style, I could understand the claim. It doesn't look like an Dragonball or Bleach character or a shoujo anime heroine, though, it looks very much like the artist's own original style. And that style is cute, and fairly unique -- seriously, how often do you see female characters that look like they actually have some meat on them?

On the other hand, sometimes I get sick of giant eyes and other miscellaneous animu faggotry, and I want to see realistic depictions of people. Case-in-point: my ship/OTP/whatever. They're two characters in a movie with human actors, but of course in what few doujinshi that exist for it, the art is all WHEE ANIMU for the most part.

But this character is obviously not based on a real person. So I don't see why you have to equate whimsical style with fail. It's not necessary for everyone to draw people like, I don't know, Da Vinci etc.

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[kinneas.livejournal.com]

They make the rockin' world go round!

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[(Anonymous)]

OP here, and I want to say I agree with the no-hatin' fat-bottomed girls. (I like me some curves, thankies.) But what bothers me about that picture is that the character is supposed to be really slender, but everyone in the comments is still talking about how that's the best picture of her they've ever seen. the anatomy needs a lot of work, and it's so far from canon that it's frustrating to see everyone falling over themselves to worship it.