[ SECRET POST #2929 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2929 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/ADJfhlw.png

[(Anonymous)]

It's ONTD's favorite word after 'neckbeard'.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much. I've noticed "problematic" is basically the new dialog shut-down word after which anything anyone says is dismissed as just more ciswhitehetmale apologetics.

[(Anonymous)]

Neckbeard is a good word, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess my question is, do you have a better word to use for that concept? Because I do find the word annoying sometimes, but there's not really a better option to use that I can see, and sometimes you really just do have to call something problematic.

[nanslice]

"insane"

problematic word usage detected

[insanenoodlyguy]

I do miss being able to use that word more casually. Now I have to think about where I'm using it and say flawed/confusing/whatever, just to avoid people being confused as to what the fuck I'm talking about.

As always, SJW's ruin everything.

[(Anonymous)]

On tumblr apparently it's already been used so often we've moved to the stage where it has lost its original meaning and now people are using it to say stuff they like about that particular character. Or I'm really missing something.

[(Anonymous)]

I posted a gif paired with a title mocking SJWs for this exact thing, literally just this morning. Goddamn psychic anons.

Here's the gif in question for the curious: https://31.media.tumblr.com/e4a618a086a614b769b7d8abe336c46c/tumblr_inline_nhyo03dNp11sbtfmc.gif

People just need to be more specific

[(Anonymous)]

It seems like, all too often, a work gets blanketly labeled problematic as a code for "This is bad and you should feel bad for liking it."

Instead of saying that, people should point out specific things and instead of saying they are "problematic" (which tells us fuck all besides that there's apparently a problem) they should point out in what ways the work stumbles and how to fix it.

For example, instead of saying Star Wars is problematic, you can say something like:

Star Wars needs more women of color (and this is true in the first six movies) and just women in general. It would have been interesting to make Mon Mothma in Return of the Jedi a woman of color, for example. Or to have a man of color play Qui-Gon Jinn (a man of Asian descent, for example, as Lucas originally wanted for Ben Kenobi) and make Mace Windu a woman of color.

Things like that. Because then you're not labeling a work as a whole problematic and you're actually proposing possible solutions instead of just tossing out criticism willy nilly.

[morieris]

Just tell me what the problem is, even if it will anger people who might feel "well that's not strong enough to be called racist..." or some anti SJ bullshit. Open your mouth and spit it out!

I do like the suggestion

[(Anonymous)]

of wordfiltering "problematic" to "extremely my shit"

(h/t to Something Awful)

[(Anonymous)]

Do you not endeavor to use the most wishy-washy, childlike terms there are when discussing serious topics?

I find that gross. And problematic.

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: a marbled sem-swirl fo red, aqua, green, blue, and pink. (Possibly a shot of a nebula?)

Text: Fandom’s obsession with the word “problematic” drives me insane! If someone drops it in discussion, I lose interest in what they were talking about. There are plenty of words – use another!
[in tiny text] this word is a fad and has to be the most pretentious word in the internet.

[arcadiaego]

I'm not sure why people don't just say racist/sexist/whatever. It's not like those who use it want to be fair and balanced.

[(Anonymous)]

"Problematic" is the magical word for me.
If someone says it, I close the tab and never come back to the discussion, because I'm pretty sure people are just going to use that word over and over and won't even give arguments on why something is "problematic".

[intrigueing]

Same. I don't gave a problem with the concept, but the moment the word pops up it causes my ears to start buzzing and I rapidly start losing interest in whatever I'm reading. If what I'm reading is really good, the effect of that word won't be enough to actually make me stop enjoying what I'm reading, but the effect is still there.

Maybe if I just de-exposed myself to it for long enough, the irritation would start going away though...but then, it's also often used so lazily. Just call a thing "problematic" and now you magically don't have to go through the trouble of actually explaining what, precisely, is wrong with the thing, or which of the many possible problems you're pinpointing, or what makes it a problem, or how it could be better. No critical thinking or clarification involved!

[(Anonymous)]

So basically, you find "problematic" problematic?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a useful word but I understand that feeling. Echoing what everyone else has said, why not just label what's "problematic" about it exactly?

[(Anonymous)]

i find the word problematic to be problematic

i find this secret to be problematic

everything you love is problematic

it's a problem

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously whenever I hear or see the word 'problematic' my mind just immediately thinks of Mordin. ^_^

[(Anonymous)]

I AGREE! "Problematic" pisses me off & I immediately ignore whatever someone's saying as soon as I see it. Just say you think it's racist or misogynistic or WHATEVER instead of saying "problematic"

And don't even get me started on "problematic fave"

UGH.

[diet_poison]

It's a word that means something, though. Just because people use it in a way you don't like (and I'm sure I'd agree sometimes) doesn't mean it ceases to have a use.

[(Anonymous)]

Even as someone who would be called an SJW and has no problem with that, I get tired of this word. As you say, OP, there are at least other words.

[(Anonymous)]

I sort of figured 'problematic' was better for discussing trends, not specific examples.

Video Game 1 having a middle aged brown haired white male main character isn't sexist or racist.

Video Games 1-159 having a middle aged brown haired white male main character and Video Games 1-5 having anything else is problematic. Each specific example is fine, but taken as a whole body of work it shows that there's something going on.

A Marvel Movie being about a white man is fine. The fact we have 9 with 6 more scheduled before there's one with a lead black dude? Problematic.

Your friend being $5 short and needing you to spot him one day is fine. Your friend begging you for $5-10 dollars every single day and every time you talk to him is mooching and becomes problematic.

And yeah, people use it wrong, but the examples people give of "Just say it's racist/sexist/homophobic!" doesn't really work all that well. They work great for specific examples! But not for trends. An example would be when someone talked about a Zelda game where you could only play as Zelda, and people jumped all over it as sexist. Limiting your player character to one option was sexist, if you wanted it to be equal you would have to have it where you could play as Zelda or Link. Except that only works if you consider it as one game on its own, and not one part in a long list of games that has only had one option, the guy. It's not 1:0 female in one game, it's 1:14 in the franchise.

Problematic is like BMI, utterly useless when applied narrowly, a decent tool for discussing large scale.