[ SECRET POST #3074 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3074 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

12. http://i.imgur.com/tIvIo12.png

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I've really rarely run into Fury bashing. Most of the time, he just gets ignored. I have seen people have the Avengers clash with him, but he's usually still on their side.

It's certainly not as pervasive as Dumbledore bashing.

[kaijinscendre]

I've not seen any? Though, I wouldn't call him evil but he seems sometimes incompetent. I don't understand how he had no idea about what was going on in SHIELD.

[(Anonymous)]

What he did to Coulson was pretty shit. Dumbledore's manipulation is pretty in our faces after a while, whereas Fury's shit is mostly on lock, but I feel like he's a pretty hardcore manipulative dude. So I can see why people who have that as a hotbutton would hate him as much as Dumbledore.

[elaminator]

Yea, I still like Fury (Jackson plays him well and it's always interesting to see him pop up) but he's certainly manipulative. Not everything he does is good, though I feel like he has good intentions. That counts for something in my book, but I can see why it might rub people the wrong way.

I've never seen Fury hate, but then again I don't read that much MCU fic in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

I see this a LOT in fanfic and I have no idea why?? Like if anyone should go against the Avengers it should be the Council, you know, the people who actually tried to blow up the city. :/

[(Anonymous)]

What fanfics do you read? I've rarely seen Fury be villainous or bashed -- he might get in conflicts with the Avengers but he's basically always on their side in the fics I'm reading.

I mostly read Steve fics, though. And have very little Loki. Don't know if that makes a difference.

[fishnchips]

I think the stories I've read which feature villainous/evil Fury were most often Loki-woobie-fics where Loki gets brutally tortured by Shield under Fury's orders. So that might be why you haven't really encountered it that often. (Those stories tend to be wildly OOC for several characters, though...)

[(Anonymous)]

Ah okay that makes sense.

Since Loki's usually the villain, if the writer wants to portray him as the victim then they need someone else to be the villain. And going off The Avengers, Fury's the most probable candidate for that (given that he's in charge of SHIELD).

But...yeah...it seems to be that the writers are just using him to whump Loki rather than have any real antipathy for Fury himself. They just need someone else to shoulder the blame.

[praetorian_guard]

I found "Fury is evil" - or rather, Fury has good intentions but has gone too far in carrying them out - a lot in fanfic back when I read it for MCU (now I stick to 616), and I never understood it. A lot of the time I think he was a convenient roadblock for people who wanted an obstacle to their pairing getting together.

[raspberryrain]

I have no idea what's going on

[(Anonymous)]

Fury with a laser beam eye that he usually covers with his eye patch. I added it in Paint, that's why it looks meh.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I like it, OP! :)

[(Anonymous)]

Aw man, people hate on Fury?? I only know the MCU, but he's a Top 3 character for me and it's always a highlight when he shows up. I don't get an evil vibe from him at all, he's more like a slightly paranoid, super-prepared dude in the vein of Batman, but without the cape.

[(Anonymous)]

"a slightly paranoid, super-prepared dude in the vein of Batman, but without the cape"
This.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that a lot of the time, writers who bash him are doing so... accidentally? I often get the impression that it's not that they have anything against him, but that they could not possibly care less about him and are only writing about him because they need a convenient evil authority figure to make life more tragic for their woobie of choice. But in this fandom, it's sometimes tough for me to give writers the benefit of the doubt. And I think that aggressive lack of interest in him is sometimes kind of iffy in its own way, if not to the extent that intentional/malicious bashing is.

[(Anonymous)]

"it's not that they have anything against him, but that they could not possibly care less about him"

I think this is probably right. I've noticed that some people really HATE Dumbledore -- think he's worse than Voldemort in a lot of ways -- but I've never seen anyone express any harsh hatred of Fury. He's convenient, as you say.

Although, if anyone now writes any fics that take place pre-Winter Soldier, I would think they would use Pierce.

[caerbannog]

I've got this trend from some of them and I just want to slap them on the head and remind them you've got the world council and Ross and shield as an entity and hydra incorporated everywhere and AIM - but when it's just Fury A Single Person it feels bashy


(Versus say Fury with good intentions but manipulative and misunderstandings or misguided)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think I've really seen a whole lot of Fury bashing fic.

[caerbannog]

Are you me Op? Been meaning to make a similar secret this week - only my thoughts were more along the line of "if the only shield member you bash is fury and everyone else is a redeemable woobie then I think you're a racist dickhead".

There's this fic and I tried to get into it but the level of fury bashing and coulson apologetics had me shuffling out about 50% into it. I couldn't deal with it anymore it was so over the top bashing and usually I love fics of Tony running rings around fury but this one was clearly setting fury up to be The Designated Bad Guy. It wasn't even hugely important to the story and just *side eyes* if ao3 had a dislike button...

Urgh.

[nightscale]

Man if a fic has Fury as the bad-guy and Coulson as the good guy I back-button so hard, it doesn't help that I really don't like Coulson but having him be super-good to Fury's cold evil is just incredibly off-putting. Nope, nada. Not playing that game.

Fury does butt heads with the Avengers sometimes because he is more of a morally grey person than some of the other characters, but he's not actually evil, it's one of the reasons I find him interesting(much in the same way that I find Natasha interesting, she's a good person but is willing to do questionable things for the right reasons).

[caerbannog]

Yeah, I love him butting heads, I love the minor conflict it brings but this doesn't make him the bad guy? And ..tbh I don't care about Coulson, but if you're throwing him up as all is good then throw fury under the bus and act like they're not friends or partners or whatever.... Nah. Nope.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like we (started to)) read the same fic.

OP

[caerbannog]

Did the fic include things like coulson joining SHIELD only realising shield and Fury is Evil for unstated reasons and Clint was given to Coylson because Fury hates unconventional soldiers and was hoping Coulson would lose him but Coulson somehow gained rank where he Fury can't do anything (all hand waved as vague fact that fury doesn't want Clint or Natasha but is somehow unable to do anything about it and is basically this shallow image of vague badness without any concrete actions. Like Natasha purposely stuffing up Tony's application so Fury sees him as textbook narcissist and it just kept going on with bland statements of all this vague "bad person" stuff Fury is doing.


Seriously wish ao3 had a dislike. Maybe I'll go back to the chapter I ditched it on and leave a tiny comment saying why.

I think a case could be made for accidental evil.

[(Anonymous)]

Though if it's accidental, I'm not sure it can truly be called evil. The manipulation, the deception (of people he purportedly trusts), Coulson's resurrection, etc. may have been done with good intentions (or at least not terrible ones), but the consequences of some of his actions have caused real (and extensive) harm (and yeah, you could probably make the same case for Tony).