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wait is Jake really aromantic? man, it's been a super long time since I've read homestuck.

iirc he flips out at one point because he doesn't want to be seen as a piece of meat anymore and he'd rather go on adventures than deal with this romance drama bullshit? Pretty sure he said that to Crocker-tier Jane when she was talking to him on Derse. He also flips out when Arenea hits on him on Derse. I haven't reached that part of my Homestuck re-read so details might be off.

Jake's romance issues might have also been touched on during that giant-ass conversation chain in the retcon session too but that's even fuzzier in my memory. I only read that part once.

I don't remember "aromantic" coming up in canon specifically but there's probably enough there to see him as aromantic.

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GT: Its fair to say i never came close to feeling as strongly about him as you.
GT: I envy you actually. Ive actually worried at times that i just wasnt capable of feeling that way about anyone.
GT: And maybe thats why i was just meant to be alone.

Re-reading it, it could just as well be Jake just being mopey, but I remember reading as "oh he's aromantic" when I came across it in canon.

At one point he talks about feeling like he can't do romance because he sucks at it and wanting a cool identity term to describe that, in a context where it's clear Hussie is just making fun of the "aromantic" label. But some people took it seriously for some reason.

I thought Jake was the one who was shitty when they were dating, but a) it's been a long time since I've read it and b) I found Jake annoying overall, so eh.

They were both shitty, and it was both their faults that things went as wrong as their did in this relationship.

Dirk is manipulative and mentioned at one point (just before godtiering) he was kind of just starved for company and Jake, being the only male friend he had, was his only logical romantic target, and that was why he latched onto him as hard as he did. Jake, however, also has a tendency to just space out or run away when things get tough with his friends, and when he felt like he didn't want to date Dirk anymore, just went off the grid and didn't talk to anybody again until Trickster Mode happened.

(I'm not a fan of Jake either tbh, but I find his habits in relation to his assigned title really interesting, hahahaha)

Ok, based on that my interpretation probably has to do with the fact that I've been burned by people like Jake so I'm more sensitive to it.

Also I should read all that shit again. I've been thinking of doing a re-read of all of Homestuck culminating with catching up with the parts I haven't read but it's such a massive undertaking and I'm not sure I'm up for it :O

Do it! It's ending sometime this year, so it's the perfect time to reread it. I'm working on a reread! My millionth or so XD

Edited 2016-02-11 02:01 (UTC)

Secret OP: How I fucking love to see one person with a Vriska icon and one with an Aranea icon conversing. And seeing someone with an Aranea icon saying they're re-reading something for a million times.

But yeah... I didn't like Jake that much either. Which I feel sorta bad for, because I LOVE all the other Alpha kids, if it wasn't for Our Lord and Savior Dave Strider they'd outdo the betas for me, now they're pretty tied. But I still love what Hussie did to this character; the action hero, the good-looking alpha male that everyone falls for, Jane's grandson/bio father, being the one that in the end broke down and turned out completely unfit for adventure and romance.

I'm gonna start a re-read too soon, so if you guys have Skype or something we could do it together? In a kinda aloof fashion; since we obviously won't be at the same place at the same time *double pistols and wink*

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I heard it might end on 4/13 this year. I better get my ass in gear!

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I wouldn't call Jake shitty, because I'm pretty sure he never actually wanted the relationship in the first place. I definitely remember there being red flags in the beginning of act 6, maybe that weren't that noticeable in the wall of text that is homestuck.

For one thing, I definitely remember Jake implying he viewed a relationship with Dirk as something he couldn't avoid. Come to think of it, it probably had a foreshadowing reference to the temporally-mandatory-severed-head-kiss thing.

Also, Jake's description of the robot dirk is:
1. robot wrestles with him in a way that makes him feel uncomfortable
2. jake complains to dirk, dirk switches it to hard mode or something
3. robot beats the shit out of jake, runs away into the woods to do it against later
4. dirk refuses to turn it off
I'm not sure if i remembered that quite right, but I really wouldn't blame Jake for trying to avoid arguing with Dirk.

Definitely sounds like a re-read is in order for me. O.O

I believe technically that was the Auto-Responder. The Auto-Responder really did go all out shoving Jake at Dirk.

OP: shit i missed this

I do still think both of them could have handled thing better in retrospect, but you're right. Hussie makes both of their actions really easy to sympathise with; I can get Jake, and his running away, and I get Dirk's clinginess too, they're both 16 and never had a relationship before and god knows I've fucked over relationships way more than both of them and it's easy to look back and say "yeah well maybe I should have just communicated better".

But this is also part of what I like about their relationship and I wish fandom would embrace it more whub whub

Jake might be aromantic, but he definitely feels like it's his fault that they broke up and that he's not deserving of close relationships anymore because he can't handle social situations very well.

so that's probably even more complicated.

OP: Yep, that too. And I mean Dirk has several buckets other issues too; I can't imagine either being the king of social interaction, but I have to restrain myself while making secrets or they will just be a WALL OF TEXT.

The more issues the better.

there wasn't much about them dating anyway, because hussie only writes how a pairing gets together to skip to their break-up.

I imagine that their three months or so of dating would had plenty of difficulties and less lovey-dovey but nice moments. but that would probably be not vague enough to mostly blame Dirk while keeping him sympathetic.

Wow the truth in that.

They definitely both blame themselves, making the whole narrative unreliable; how much is Dirk really manipulative and how much of it is Dirk seeing himself as manipulative? I realize that I phrased in a way that put most of the blame on him, but Jake is just as "guilty", with instead of talking to Dirk about their problems constantly nagging on Jane and thus painting Dirk even more as the bad guy in the relationship.

And that's what's so interesting about their relationship too dfghg please give me the fic I deserve fandom I've been a good girl.

OP here. It's sorta visible on the secret, but didn't notice how much the texture erased it, so I wanted to point to the fucking amazeballs artist that made this drawing:
http://ikimaru.tumblr.com/

go check her out

I can't see Jake as aromantic or Dirk as manipulative, mostly because I just think of the shitty way they where brought up and the shitty live conditions they grew up in. Like they literally didn't have people around to help them define themselves so they had to make up identities for themselves. And once the time came in their facade just started to break. Like Dirk is not stoic and cool and Jake is not some action hero. They are lonely and don't know how to express it, and tried to keep that facade in front of people to live up to his expectations because if they didn't they would end up disappointing everyone and therefore alone again.

And also they are teenagers. When you're a teen you start to define yourself and wondering who you really want to be and looking up for adults you want to turn into. None of the alpha kids (except maybe Jane) had that, and they might have grown up to be very broken individuals like the original parents had if they hadn't had their epiphany before godtiering.

tl;dr they are teens and shut up self.

I mentioned some of these points before buuut

The secret was pretty shitty worded, I hyperbole'd to be fun to read and fit without too much text. However, I don't think that them being teenagers or having isolated childhoods stops them from being manipulative or aromantic. Dirk, I think definitely can be a little manipulative, with his roundabout ways to make his friends stronger, but it's well-intended and it's obviously pushed by his own unreliable narrative; he sees himself as manipulative, says that he is manipulative and thus it's easy to read him as such. I also tend to think that teenagers are more manipulative than adults overall, empathy isn't fully developed until people hit 21, I think I've read somewhere.

And as for Jake, bless his heart

GT: Its fair to say i never came close to feeling as strongly about him as you.
GT: I envy you actually. Ive actually worried at times that i just wasnt capable of feeling that way about anyone.
GT: And maybe thats why i was just meant to be alone.

When I read this in canon my mind just went straight to "oh so he's aromantic" but reading it again, he could just be, yeah, isolated and self-hating. I fucking love Jake's whole character arc, it's one of my favorites in Homestuck, third only to Vriska's and Terezi's. And again being a teen is like, the part of your life when you figure that shit out. I was like straight, ace, bi, straight, bi as a teen and really set on those labels before finally figuring that I don't really care. So he could be dramatic, he could be aromatic, he could be ~going through a phrase~

And with this i don't mean to imply that all teens go through phrases with their sexualities. Some are def set on being straight, gay, queer whatever.

Jesus the amount of investment I'm putting down in chatlogs between fictional teenagers. i'd like to echo your statement of "shut up self"

Nice icon by the way! Dogs, another series I gotta re-read.

The secret was pretty shitty worded, I hyperbole'd to be fun to read and fit without too much text.

No worries about it!

Re: your other points. Ah. You got a point there. Living alone doesn't stop them from being themselves in a sense. But I also think that by living alone and not having anyone calling them out on some of their bullshit they developed some pretty "bad habits". And you're right about teenagers. I stopped to remember about my teenage years and I was such a lil shit (no wonder why some adults are ashamed of their teen years jfc, WHY DID NO ONE STOPPED ME FROM EMBARRASSING MYSELF!). And you are right, Dirk did come as manipulative in a "You don't know what's best for you! I know what's best for you! THE ROBOT!". But I also think that he had the mentality of "if it worked for me, it works for everyone". On the one hand, I can see that, but on the other hand him (and Roxy) I see them as a product of their time. Like how they grew up alone and they clung to the only person they had near (Roxy to Dirk, Dirk to Jake and to an extent, Jake to a defied version of his dead grandma) and that just went terribly wrong for everyone.

(And sorry if I came a little bit... mean? I just have a kneejerk reaction with the manipulative thing because I usually see the "Dirk was manipulative and abusive" thrown around tumblr (plus a group of shippers that are going around telling people that if they don't portray Dirk and Jake as an abusive relationship then they are abusive wtf) when, well we really don't know a lick of how the relationship really was, and like someone mentioned up there, Hussie tends to write relationships when they hook up and time skips them to see how they break up.)

Re: Jake

Oh wow, I actually DID read that as him having a break down and being like "bloobloo I don't deserve to be loved" kinda thing, but now that you pointed it out, yeah I can see that too. Specially since at the beginning he was pretty much leaning towards either Jane or Dirk (plus his thing for blue people and Aranea), I always read him as pansexual/doesntgiveafugsexual.

And with this i don't mean to imply that all teens go through phrases with their sexualities. Some are def set on being straight, gay, queer whatever.

Haha that's understandable. I went through this phase myself where wasn't sure why I didn't feel attracted to men, thought I was a lesbian, but wasn't attracted to woman either and wondered if I was a broken individual and discovered via the internet that asexuality was a thing. It was quite a ride.

Also Ditto on the chatlogs. :P But that's a fun way to explore characters!

Nice icon by the way! Dogs, another series I gotta re-read.

Ehe, thanks! I admit it's been a while since I've read the manga but I am pretty fond of this icon. Guess it's time for a re-read!

Okay, shutting up for real now.

Using my account that I found since no one else is reading this thread anyway and then I can follow it don't you think about shutting up.

Yeah I mean... I was a lonely ass teenager as well though nowhere near their standards and I can still tell I'm kinda behind in social interactions - honestly it's a goddamn MiRaClE they're not more fucked up than they are. I mean Dirk and Roxy has literally never touched another human being in their entire lives. Holy shit how are they super competent and awesome and not flinging their shit at people.

Tumblr has definitely traumatized me too - read "not meant to imply" - and I don't even post or reblog shit I'm just kind of there, drunkenly nodding along as every semi-famous guy ever is suddenly a piece of shite. Dirk, abusive though... Honestly, it kind of scares me how the word abusive gets thrown around there, because it sort of... Loses it meaning. Never seen Dirk being called abusive but holy shit have they ever been in relationships? Dirk is manipulative but he isn't even manipulative for his own benefit he genuinely wants to help his friends jesus. I almost wish he was a worse person in canon than he is; Hussie has his way with balancing good and bad traits in people.

Yeah... To be honest, I have no idea how being aromantic even works. Asexual, I can get, but don't really understand the mechanics of being aromantic, mainly 'cause "romance" isn't an urge in the same sense as being sexual - like, I get what it means, but I can't imagine how it'd feel or work... bluh. Also, I had completely forgotten about his crush on Aranea.

Ah yeah thanks god for the internet. I still remember elementary school back when we actually went and looked shit up in physical encyclopedias (can't believe I spelled that right at first try). God.

and to finish off a poem tumblr just threw at my face, from http://evroginapoetry.tumblr.com/:

Maybe, I’m meant to be alone.
To simply observe love from a distance,
so I don’t taint the idea of it.
Maybe, I was made to love the idea of love.

OK.

They grew up as really broken kids. Like holy shit, Roxy ended up being an alcoholic because she wanted to feel closer to mom!Rose and Dirk ended up building Robots/his own evil clone so he wouldn't feel lonely and his first contact with a romantic partner ends in a drunk-on-candy party where they sadly broke up. My life as a teen was a walk in the park compared to them and I really end up feeling bad for them.

And oh yes. I've seen some shit there. There's this called 'good DirkJake squad' (okay I don't know if that's their name, but it really fits them) who go around telling people that the correct way to ship DirkJake is if Dirk is abusive and Jake is a giant woobie. Any other representation is WRONG and you are WRONG for shipping them that way. I wish I was even kidding but I've seen them go against artist who ended up deleting and people who have been in actual abusive relationships calling them out on it. Like, Jesus Christ untwist your panties. This is like going back to the livejournal days when Warriors for Innocence started their crusade and journals where being deleted left and right. Funny enough that was the time when people started moving to tumblr. Oh the irony.

And... well me neither. I mean, if someone identifies and feels that way that's cool, but it's not something I understand and that's okay. We're all different and yadda yadda.

Also, I had completely forgotten about his crush on Aranea.
Honestly I only remembered because someone posted an icon with her face in it. Haha. :P

Ah yeah thanks god for the internet. I still remember elementary school back when we actually went and looked shit up in physical encyclopedias (can't believe I spelled that right at first try). God.

OH GOD NOW I DO FEEL OLD. *HOLDS HEAD IN HANDS* Thank God for the internet.

And that's a nice poem.

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