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[ SECRET POST #3378 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3378 ⌋

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Ahaha, oh my fucking god. I remember exactly which secret this is talking about. Probably because I felt the same way as the secret maker. The thing is though? RIGHT IN THE SECRET the OP was careful to note that it was their problem, and that they know authors don't owe them anything. They mentioned it was because they're invested in the story.

Like holy fucking shit, this is the hugest overreaction to a secret ever. You're acting like the secret OP went over to your house, pulled down his or her pants, and took a big steaming dump on your keyboard.

Different things upset different people. I don't know how secret OP takes care of their shit (I know they mentioned a notepad or something they have some key WIPs written down in), but I take care of mine by sorting by 'Complete'--although thanks to authors abusing the shit out of this, it's not foolproof and sometimes I'll get to the end of the chapter to see "TO BE CONTINUED" and I'll give a big ol' "Well Fuuuuuck", set it up to alert me if I'm invested, and move on. But yeah, knowingly getting into WIPs gives me low grade anxiety too. SORRY I'M NOT YOUR IDEA OF COMPLETELY WELL ADJUSTED OP. God, I pray no one around you has actual anxiety problems. That's where my issues come from (and no, not self-diagnosed tumblr bullshit, I'm over 30 years old and I've had it since my pre-teens, as diagnosed by several doctors), and what triggers anxiety isn't always rational.

God it's like this entire community is made up mostly of people who have pretty severe social problems in some arena of their lives, but you all get to jump on other people in a weird "at least I'm not THAT person" schadenfreude session instead of having some empathy, even when a person is being completely reasonable and owning the fact that they have an issue.

There was definitely more than one secret/conversation about this topic, anon...people do act like they're entitled to fics being finished. Not everyone, but enough people for the topic to get pretty wanky at times. Hell, there's some of it going on in this very thread.

Also, I honestly think you are overreacting more than OP or the specific secret you were talking about (assuming we're talking about the same one - wasn't it last week)? Like holy hell you just totally jumped down OP's throat

How many WIPs do you have open right now that you feel the need to personally chastise every person in this thread that you disagree with? The OP of the secret last week that this one is specifically referenced flat out admitted that they knew the problem was on them, several other commenters piped up to say things along the lines of, "yeah, WIPs sure can suck if you have OCD or other anxiety disorders, here are some coping methods." Apparently, this person was so offended by the idea that people with anxiety orders exist and read fic that they needed to post a response secret accusing them all of being speshul snowflakes who need to get a life, and you have decided to be that person's biggest cheerleader. Go shove your pompoms up your ass and fuck off already.

This secret isn't specifically referencing any other secret, anon. And come on, I've made lots of comments on this thread (because it's an interesting thread) addressing several angles of the issue. While I generally agree with OP, there are other factors and I see both sides of the endless "who is more entitled, readers or writers" debate. My response basically depends on who is acting really extreme, and in this thread, it's the readers who are largely acting really extreme.

It is not a crime or even a bad thing to post part of a long fic and then decide later not to finish it. Nobody deserves to be attacked for that.

And no, I'm not going to stop making comments about opinions I have. It's what this kind of forum is for. You do not have to read them.

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This secret is specifically calling out that secret aand making fun ot if though. And it's doing it in the most snarky, privileged, disgusting way possible, basically calling you defective if something small happens to give you anxiety. The secret being referenced wasn't wanky or nasty, and specifically noted that they knew fic authors don't "owe" them anything. They went out of their way to state that. They weren't mean. Or nasty. Or entitled. Just simply stating something they were embarrassed to talk about un-anon.

And yet this person got SOOOOO pissed they had to make a nasty secret about it. Yeah, this other anon is definitely upset, but in my opinion they have a damn good right to be. I don't personally get anxieties about fics (no my brain has wayyyyy too many other OCD related things to bother me about, like whether I left the stove on even though I haven't used it in three days, that sort of shit), but it's certainly something easily within the realm of getting some anxiety about, just like some people get anxiety when their favourite published series hasn't seen anything new in awhile.

It's pretty obvious that this secret is in DIRECT context with the one from a week or two ago, and it is a massive overreaction full of malice and spite. OP needs to get off their high horse.

No? It says secrets, plural. People post secrets about hot-button fic topics all the time.

While it's likely that one secret was all or most of OP's motivation for writing this one, we really can't prove it, and it doesn't mean their opinion/reaction didn't already exist before that.

You have the "right" to be anxious about anything and as long as it doesn't cross into entitlement territory I don't see the problem. Do you inform your favorite authors that their failure to complete a series they've been working on is triggering your anxiety? I doubt it. That would be a really unfair thing to do, because it's making them emotionally indebted to you for something that was theirs to begin with.

And I'm really not seeing any malice or spite. Some snark in the last bit but it's honestly way milder than some secrets that don't get this level of vitriolic response. Malice though? Really? You must be squinting pretty hard. There's a reason they're fandom SECRETS - people think things like this in their head all the time (I am no better than OP and neither are you); it's not the same as saying it directly to someone to whom you think it applies.

Edited 2016-04-04 03:46 (UTC)

"Wtf? How do you get through life? Get over yourself and grow up."

Yup, nothing hateful or vitriolic about hurling that at someone with a mental illness.

I can't figure out if you're actually that thick or if you agree with OP that mentally ill people just need to stop being babies and act normal.

Those are literally the only two reasons for your behavior in this thread: ignorance or hate. Which is it?

Por que no los dos?

Or maybe it's that I - as a person who also has mental illness, btw - feel very strongly that one person's mental illness is ultimately thei own responsibility and no one eles's. I am not mocking people for having them or telling them to snap out of it. But it's ridiculous to imply that a fic author has a responsibility to cater to someone else's anxiety when writing or posting fic, and they aren't even doing something really careless like leaving out major trigger warnings.

OP could have been nicer, but again, there is a reason stuff like this is posted as a secret. I think their frustration with other people acting entitled and emotionally blackmailing fic writers over WIPs is understandable. They weren't being hateful towards mental illjess, in my interpretation (correct me if wrong, OP?) but rather exasperated and snarky towards a particular subgroup of people as defined by their choices - not even a subgroup, really, as people who do not have mental illness, or have an illness that has nothing to do with their fic reading experience, also do this.

Holy shit, lmao, please let this become the "what did you say to me you little shit" copypasta for f!s. It's got everything.

Settle the fuck down, friend. I say this as someone also with anxiety issues (also diagnosed by actual doctors). Talk about overreactions.

Oh please, copypasta shit is so cringey, and people who like that regurgitated bullshit are even more cringe worthy. It's not original after the 8 millionth "haha I replaced 'sniper' with 'Harry Potter fan' liek top kek so originalz" iteration.

Mm your sense of humor is so much more evolved than the rest of us rabble, please let me bask in your superiority~~

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Tbh it wouldn't take much to have a more developed sense of humor than HAHA ATTACK HELICOPTER HAHA SNIPER. I don't really care what makes people laugh, but copypasta is bottom of the barrel.

Calm the fuck down.

This is such an extreme reaction. I can't believe it's real. Like holy shit. You need help.

Oh exactly this.
I probably wouldn't have written this much because it would have taken me hours but this was my reaction too.
This person is deathly offended I don't want to read their fanfic and I'm the entitled one???

I really just don't understand this whole reaction

where exactly in their secret did OP say they were upset or offended that people didn't want to read their fic?

Enough people have tried to explain to you that telling people with anxiety that their mental issues are just entitlement and that they should grow up and get a life is hurtful and wrong. Enough people have pointed out that this kind of secret, specifically and obviously targeted at the person who posted last week, is particularly mean spirited. Saying that you don't get it isn't helpful when in reality you're refusing to listen. I strongly suggest that you have a neutral party with good reading comprehension read this secret and interpret it for you in a way that you can understand. You seem like a decent enough person, but you don't seem to be capable of understanding that this is a really nasty, hateful hill that you've chosen to die on.

I'll try again

Where EXACTLY in the secret did OP say they were upset or offended that people didn't want to read their fic?

Please be specific.

If you want to have the mental illness argument some more I think you want the subthread above this one? *points*

"I'm so annoyed at the negative secrets I've seen on FS lately about WIPs." [There's been one in the last several months, and it was the anxiety one referenced throughout the rest of the post. That anxiety secret obviously really annoyed OP. ]

"I post WIPs a lot, because I have lots of fun ideas, start writing, and think, "Hey, I'll share this. Someone else might think it's interesting too. " [The OP wants you to know that anxiety OP's secret affects them directly, and that they are generous fans who only want to share their awesomeness with the world.]

"And sometimes they run out of steam, or aren't finished, because, you know what? I'm a functional human being" [unlike these anxiety people] "with a job, a house to clean, friends to see, and a kid to look after." [The purpose of incredibly defensive statement is to imply that OP is deeply offended that someone might not like the fact that they have so many WIPs, while making sure to point out what full lives they have. This will be important later, DP, so mark it in your text. ]

"I have responsibilities, and regrettably cannot indulge in fandom as much as I'd like, but I still like to share what little output I have with the web, in the spirit of community and fun." [Seriously, if you can't tell that OP is upset and offended at this point, I can't help you. They might as well have just said, "HDY not appreciate all I do for you."]

"People who are like, "WIPs give me actual anxiety and depression" - WTF?"
[Again, OP is referencing that one secret that apparent got their pants in a twist. The purpose of this sentence is to call them out and express disbelief at the idea that someone wouldn't appreciate the many WIPs OP has bestowed upon them out of the goodness of their heart. ]

"How do you get through life? Like really? Get over yourselves and grow up. " [If you don't think OP is offended, I would love to know what you think this is about. I suppose they stopped short of saying, "You'll read my WIPs and like them, you dysfunctional freaks," but that's probably because the secret was running large as it was.]

Now, this was a Clif Notes level of reading comprehension. And like Clif Notes, I can explain the story to you but I can't understand it for you. If you don't get it yet, you're going to have to find a third party with the time and patience to explain it to you.

This is, quite possibly, the most neurotic comment I've ever seen on this community.

Re: The only one overreacting here is YOU. Holy shit.

(Anonymous) - 2016-04-04 22:27 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The only one overreacting here is YOU. Holy shit.

diet_poison - 2016-04-05 00:08 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The only one overreacting here is YOU. Holy shit.

diet_poison - 2016-04-05 00:07 (UTC) - Expand

ayrt
That's how I interpreted the first sentences. OP thinks it's shitty that readers don't like their stuff just because they're doing fandom the way that works for them.

It feels natural to extrapolate when the content of the secret is basically "I am so annoyed by people sharing negative experiences I don't share. They are huge losers.". Maybe a failure of imagination on my part.

I guess we read it very differnently. OP was complaining about the trend of people complaining about WIPs, and even if you choose to interpret this secret as a response to that one specific secret from last week, there is nothing in that secre that says "I don't want to read WIPs". being shitty hat authors dare to abandon their fics is a far cry from not choosing to read them in the first place.

Edited 2016-04-04 21:00 (UTC)

Holy fucking shit. Why are you this unable to have basic reading comprehension? I know you've all but explained in other comments that you're SUPER in bed with this secret OP and totally agree with them but come the fuck on.

The secret from last week WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY to explain that they don't feel anyone owes them shit. They're not blaming authors for their anxiety. They're not asking authors to cater to them. Literally ALL THEY DID was say that WIPs give them some anxiety. HOW DARE THEY!

What the fuck is with all of you? Entitled much? You think readers are being entitled? How about basically dragging a secret OP under the bus for simply daring to admit on a secret what a lot of us in fandom feel sometimes? The only way that secret OP from last week could have been more clear about not blaming authors for their own anxiety is if they fucking baked each WIP author cookies personally. Like what the fuck?

Re: The only one overreacting here is YOU. Holy shit.

diet_poison - 2016-04-05 00:10 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The only one overreacting here is YOU. Holy shit.

(Anonymous) - 2016-04-05 19:09 (UTC) - Expand

well said!

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