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[ SECRET POST #3420 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3420 ⌋

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Ok, I didn't think I said anything objectionable, so is this just run of the mill internet douchery or can someone tell me what I did wrong? Why wanting to know if a person I like and respect is actually worthy or my liking them and respecting them is such a troll move?

Run-of-the-mill online douche-baggery I'm afraid. It's a new trick the trolls here have learned. If they call everyone a troll and they can troll with immunity.

You basically said that because he is an older, white guy he has obviously done something racist or raped someone or whatever -ist is the flavor of the month.

No, I didn't. I said he might have done. As might anyone, but white guys from his generation have been letting me down left and right lately and I wanted to know if he was still as cool as I thought he is.

I wasn't saying he must have done something. I wanted to know if he had.

Different phrasing might have been helpful. Something like:

"I've been listening to this guy Brian Blessed and he seems cool, but I don't know much about him and I've been burned a lot recently by being a fan of celebrities who turn out to be awful people, so I'm gun-shy. Anyone know anything about him I ought to know?"

Leave age, race, and gender out if it. That doesn't just imply that certain groups ought to be automatically considered suspect, but that others ought to be considered "safe."

+1, good advice

Short version: your post plays into a bunch of narratives about social justice and how we approach celebrity that tend to lead to really involved, vicious arguments and fights.

Longer version: I think there are basically two problems with your post. First, it treats problematic things in a really weird way - like a weird insidious darkness or sin that corrupts everything it touches, which comes from bad institutions and views, and which we have learned how to purify ourselves from, and that when someone has done something problematic that's it they're done they're evil - which I think is a weird approach and not one that ultimately makes a lot of sense in human terms. And that fundamentalism tends to lead to arguments and stupid conclusions and it's really black and white in a way that's wrong.

Second, I think, it's kind of hard to understand why if you really were concerned about Brian Blessed's life, you wouldn't just... google Brian Blessed (or, like, 'Brian Blessed politics' or something). So it's easy to look at that part of your post and come to the conclusion that you're not really interested in finding out about Brian Blessed - because there's easier ways to do that - and that you're more interested in stupid arguments about politics on fandom secrets dot dreamwidth dot org.

Hope that helps.

+1

You put it so much better than I could.

+3 but I don't think OP is sincere.

Okay so I read the comments to this before I read this post and thought "Oh, just FS being FS"...and then I actually read this.

"can someone tell me if this man has raped someone " ...... Uh. The entire thing is kind of a super hard open.

Personally, I go "Well, here's a white guy I like. They're probably problematic, I have no doubt about it, but we'll cross that road when we get to it and hope it isn't too bad."

And the white guys certainly aren't the only ones who can be "problematic." (Germaine Greer can go fuck a cactus.)

You MRA, Bro?

Are you implying that being a feminist requires not caring about trans* rights?

That's pretty fucking bigoted right there tbh

What the fuck are you even talking about? Was exactly was in that red pill?

Germaine Greer is noted for making anti-trans* statements (presumably, this is the root of Feo's objection to her).

You implied that Feo disliking Germaine Greer made Feo an MRA.

Therefore, the conclusion one is forced to draw is that you believe objecting to anti-trans bigotry like Greer's is tantamount to being an MRA. Similarly it would follow that being a feminist is incompatible - in your eyes - with criticizing bigoted statements like the ones Greer made.

1. Bullshit
2. Utter bullshit.
3. Citation needed for this complete utter bullshit.
4. Even if she's not perfect Germaine Greer is a fucking hero of feminism in it's early days. She doesn't have to be perfect, there are women alive and unraped today because of the stuff she stuck her neck out to do. She took literal bullets for women today and it is fucking bullshit that we turn on her just because she might have grown up with some different values.

This is such a weird argument. How is "they might have grown up with different values" an excuse for bigotry when growing up with particular values is what perpetuates bigotry in the first place? You wouldn't let that be a man's excuse for treating women as inferior, would it? No, you'd ask him to take responsibility for his stance even if it's not entirely his fault he has it.

Germaine Greer can go fuck a cactus

You just jumped right into this conversation about back and white thinking in social justice circles, and...proceeded to make a black and white judgement about a by all means complex and thoroughly in-the-grey individual.

I would laugh, but it's actually sad.

SA

Coming back to say that while I don't believe in disregarding or discrediting all of the very intelligent, on-the-mark things Greer has said and done in the feminist sphere, when I made my previous comment I did not realize that she has not only continued to hold transphobic opinions, she appears to have become more entrenched and vitriolic in her opinions on trans people. How disappointing.

I still wouldn't argue that she should "go fuck a cactus," as you put it, but I probably wouldn't have taken issue with your apparent fury towards her had I know that, rather than allowing her ignorance on trans matters to give way to open-mindedness over the decades as more information about transgenderism became available, she appears to have let her ignorance fester and turn to spite. :/

DA

Perfect moment to use "well we will burn that bridge when we get to it"?

In the future, you might want to just, I dunno, google the guy? Try googling "Brian Blessed" scandal. Not only would this solve your problem without getting you dogpiled on the internet, but you actually get to decide whether any hits you get on your search are from reputable sources or just trash.

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