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⌈ Secret Post #3829 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/5GGKq3d.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I think the baseline level of skepticism for any new Trek TV series is going to be extremely hard to start with. And then you combine that with the fact that it's departing from the traditional Trek TV format, and also experimenting with new ways of distributing TV, and you add in the bumpy path to production that it's had, and all that gets multiplied by 1000.

I'm sure some of it is racism but people were always going to be skeptical of this. I mean at the end of the day, the last season of Star Trek that's generally regarded as good came out in what, like, 1998?

[(Anonymous)]

When the first main trailer is a pair of natives waiting for the main ship to discover them and pick them up, you gotta be a bit skeptical. That is not a strong launch point.

[(Anonymous)]

Trailers are trailers.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not hype for it because I just don't connect to the "old Trek is too cerebral, fuck it" style of nu!Trek, and it really seems to be trying to fit in with that. At least going by trailers. I'd be happy for it to prove me wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's much less about being cerebral, and much more about the way that TV is made

I think on a fundamental level, most classic Trek was made at a time when the basic model for TV was theater - TV episodes basically worked like teleplays. And that carried with it a bunch of assumptions about style and pace. And so, basically, you did have a bunch of scenes where a bunch of actors would basically stand around and declaim lines and stuff. Whereas in the past 20 years, TV has basically totally shifted to where most TV is basically modeled on cinema, and most TV episodes are basically short movies, and that has a much different style with a much different pace and cinematography and just a whole different thing. Even if they were going to make an incredibly cerebral Star Trek series it would look nothing like the classic Trek. No one makes TV series like TNG anymore. No one. They just don't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I know, and it makes me show my age that I'm so adverse to it. That's on me for sure. But my concern about it being nu!Trek style "non-cerebral" is because of JJ Abrams actually saying that old Trek was too cerebral and boring, and it came off as an extreme anti-intellectual bias, which... upset me, admittedly. Star Trek is the reason I majored in Astrophysics; it is intellectual for me, and I'm certainly not saying that there's anything wrong with focusing more intently on being entertaining, but to strip the intellectualism out of Star Trek just... seems to miss the point. I don't know. Maybe I'm just a crabby old lady, after all.

[ninety6tears]

I've assumed there are still BAD examples of that kind of TV, but then, I don't remember the last time I watched a new episode of a procedural TV series so I guess I wouldn't know.

Rewatching TNG last year made me rethink whether I really prefer the cinematic style over more self-contained narratives, because arguably if CSI was written as well as some of the best Star Trek I could get into it. I would say both formats have their own challenges but I think we're reaching a tipping point where the notion of making a TV season more like an extended movie is really critically misleading. I love a show to take its time when it's deserved, but I think we're mistaking cinematic for substantial and forgetting that writing a series is its own dying art, I guess.

[ketita]

Yeah, I agree. I think that's one of the things that makes me fundamentally eh about nu!Trek.
Also, I saw in interviews that they were like "the first show to break one of Roddenberry's cardinal rules for the Star Trek universe!"
Why the fuck is this something to be proud of? If you can't tell a story based on the universe rules laid down by the creator, why tell a Star Trek story at all? Just make a show about a spaceship, yeesh.

[(Anonymous)]

I would push back a little on how closely Star Trek needs to be tied to Gene's vision, partly because DS9 was very good, and partly because the first season of TNG that Gene was involved in was so bad (although obviously it was near the end of the man's life).

[(Anonymous)]

The rule they're getting rid of is Roddenberry's Box; a rule that said that, despite differences among the crew, they will always work them out. I think this show is going to focus more on discourse between crew members. Otherwise, why would one of the writers even bring that up?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm feeling more hopeful on the STD now that they've announced Jonathon Frakes as director for it. They've got a man who can make sure there is some Star Trek in their spaceship show. If it still sucks even after bringing in the modern Leonard Nimoy of Trek directing then it was completely doomed out the gate.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, Frakes is the director? I didn't know that. That... actually does make me somewhat more optimistic.

[(Anonymous)]

He's just directing one episode.

[(Anonymous)]

Directly directing one episode. He's consultant on all of them.

[(Anonymous)]

And Nicholas Meyer is part of the writing staff, too.

[nightscale]

I liked the trailer tbh and it's way too early to tell if it'll be good or bad. I'm hoping for good because I've been missing a Trek TV show for many years now but I'm withholding my judgements until I've watched it.

[(Anonymous)]

I just got kind of meh when I read a thing that they're moving away from the previous Trek guidelines for self-contained plotlines and a minimum of soap-opera style crew-on-crew drama.

Those are pretty much guarantees it's not going to really appeal to me.

[(Anonymous)]

That's disappointing to hear. Mostly self contained plotlines and minimal soap opera romances are two of the things I liked about ST. Mult-ep story arcs can get so messy, and cast romances just seems like something a show does when it doesn't have anything else to fall back on.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, I totally agree about CBS All Access. For some reason, the entire concept of a broadcast network putting certain new shows behind a paywall fills me with rage.

[(Anonymous)]

Yea, if it's not on one of the services I'm already paying for I'm definitely not going to pick up one more just for one show. Seems like it's a good way for them to guarantee the show won't get off the ground because I'm sure I'm not the only person that feels that way.

[(Anonymous)]

While I'm not going to say race doesn't play a part of it for some folks, I think it really does have to do with the Captain not being the star. If she was the captain, I suspect it would be more accepting because the captain is always the star of these shows. This is the fandom that had a black commander in charge and a woman in charge and with few exceptions, accepted them openly.

[(Anonymous)]

Media companies just don't seem to get the idea that "hey, putting stuff on the Web without shitty DRM would probably undercut piracy". Ugh.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm reserving judgement on it tbh. I'm really excited for a diverse star trek cast, but I'm mostly upset they're making it a serialised thing (i liked that you could dip in and out of star trek episodes) and getting rid of the rule that characters would through interpersonal drama by talking/going to a counsellor etc because I just liked that... Also, it's set before TOS and I always preferred the later series.

But yeah, I'll wait and see what they do with it.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually went and debated some anti-sjws in the youtube comments for the trailer like a month ago.

I thought the trailer looked great and was excited for it, but then I watched American Gods and now I'm afraid it's going to suck because of Bryan Fuller

Ugh.