[ SECRET POST #4010 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4010 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

You...you do know that only the most recent 3 movies are Disney movies? And that their position in pop culture was cemented a long time ago.

Also, what AMAZING things do you think are actually worthy of making a fuss over in pop culture?

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention that some people DO take Disney movies that seriously.

[philstar22]

Seriously. Disney isn't all animated movies now. And some of their animated movies are amazing (Lion King holds up, for me, against most other movies). Why does it being Disney make it bad?

[(Anonymous)]

They didn't start out as Disney movies. At least initially, they were Lucas exploring Joseph Campbell's hero's journey through the space/scifi genre.

[(Anonymous)]

also drawing on the adventure and space serials he watched as a child (i.e., flash gordon)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not 100% sure what this secret is saying, but if it's saying that people are much too invested in Star Wars, then I agree. The one good thing is that they mostly manage to keep on the DL. Tumblr could take a hint.

[(Anonymous)]

But isn't being overinvested in various works of media kind of the basic definition of fandom?

I don't get what your point is here

[(Anonymous)]

I'm really confused by this secret, because like... there's not actually anything surprising or weird about Disney movies being a massive part of pop culture?

like, what do you think pop culture is

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand the appeal of Star Wars. They were fairly revolutionary for their time, I admit, but if the original trilogy came out today, they'd be panned as another mediocre sci fi franchise. The prequels were utter trash, and the new movies coming out are just okay. People love the shit out of Star Wars, but I think it's mostly nostalgia factor.

[(Anonymous)]

if the original trilogy came out today, they'd be panned as another mediocre sci fi franchise

I mean, people would judge them more harshly based on the fact that the special effects and writing would be 40 years out of date, yes.

But I don't think they're mediocre movies, especially not New Hope and Empire. They're extremely well made space adventure movies. They're really entertaining, they're in a genre that a lot of people like, and they have a setting that a lot of people find compelling. And that's exactly the kind of thing that a lot of people are going to like a lot. The new movies aren't revolutionary, but they're still fundamentally satisfying to a lot of people, even if they're not other peoples' cup of tea.

I mean, the question of why Star Wars appeals to a lot of people just seems pretty obvious.

[(Anonymous)]

Why act like you don't understand when the answer is LITERALLY in your comment? "They were fairly revolutionary for their time"

Why do people like the Beatles? If they were a band today, they would be lost in a sea of similar sounding music!

Why is Citizen Kane so renowned? If it was released today, people would only talk about how long it is.

Why do people care about the iPhone? If it was released today, people would only want to buy Androids.

[(Anonymous)]

The original trilogy is to sci-fi movies what Tolkien was to fantasy. It's because of those things that we got all the subsequent things. You don't have to like them but it's ridiculous to pretend their impact was minimal. I personally cannot stand Tolkien's writing but I couldn't be more appreciative for it because the fantasy books I devour today never would have been written/published if not for him.

[(Anonymous)]

They're just plain fun. They're not especially deep or complex, they're just enjoyable to watch and entertaining, which is all that really matters.

[philstar22]

Oh, shocking, different tastes are different.

[(Anonymous)]

they'd be panned as another mediocre sci fi franchise.

If the original trilogy hadn't come out in the 70s, there wouldn't have been a sea of mediocre but high-tech sci fi franchises. Star Wars was pretty much the template for the genre as we know it today. Those were the movies that convinced studios that SF films could yield metric fucktonnes of money if they had enough mass appeal and were marketed effectively.

[(Anonymous)]

i agree, everyone needs to chill the fuck out. they're just movies. there are enough things to be worrying about in real life.

[(Anonymous)]

but if you think this, why are you on fandomsecrets in the first place

[(Anonymous)]

It's nothing to do with Disney and everything to do with the fact that for many years there were just three Star Wars movies and people loved them. And then three incredibly shitty movies came out that are impossible to ignore because George Lucas literally embedded the prequels into the original trilogy. Then TFA came out and it didn't suck, which was shocking. It got the spirit of Star Wars and fans were hopeful. RO is an ok little one off that doesn't really matter much one way or the other. But TLJ is a terrible movie in general, the second worst Star Wars movie, and a very weak middle film. Even if the last film in the trilogy is better, it will still suffer from TLJ failing to establish a believable villain. I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for fans to react to that or what Disney's relatively recent acquisition has to do with Star Wars being a huge part of pop culture spanning five decades.

[(Anonymous)]

TLJ is a terrible movie in general

I don't think there's any reasonable sense in which this is true, but I'd be curious to hear your argument

the second worst Star Wars movie

This is just flatly impossible, you are wrong and I will not put up with this nonsense. TLJ is not worse than Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones. That is wrong. No. I am not having it.

[(Anonymous)]

it's okay to react to it and say it sucks.

not okay to complain to the film makers and petition them to remake it. then you're just wasting time and making a fool of yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

How did TLJ fail to establish a believable villain? I thought Kylo and the First Order were super believable villains, they just weren't cool the same way Darth Vader and the Empire were, which to me seems like that's kind of the point - real evil is pointlessly petty, immature, and plagued by infighting.

[ninety6tears]

What do you mean by "taking seriously"? What media do you deem worthy of passion and emotional investment?

I haven't watched the new films, but you're wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

They are part of a billion dollar franchise that employs thousands of people and weren't always part of Disney, but speaking of Disney, that's a multibillion dollar multinational conglomerate. The films are also a part of a 40-year cultural touchstone. Dismissing them as just Disney films is missing a lot. And, really, like any piece of the creative arts, Disney films included, they are worthy of discussion, both positive and negative.

Now, if you mean there probably shouldn't be screaming histrionics over them, yeah, okay.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, well, I could do without your tone, but I was just thinking about someone on my tumblr dash who hasn't stopped being REALLY PASSIONATE about it being terrible since it came out and I'm starting to be a bit worried for them.

In the end of the day, it IS just a film and if nothing else, there's the time honoured coping mechanism of fic right at your fingertips.