[ SECRET POST #593 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #593 ⌋

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Comments

187

[ketchupblood.livejournal.com]

*FROWNS AT YOU* So, with all the other terrible things that have happened in the last two thousand years, Christianity is the worst? REALLY.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

It's been responsible for most of the worst over the last 2000 years, yes.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

So the Holocaust was an insignificant blip on your radar?

Nice.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

How doesn't that apply, here?

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

See below.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

Hatred of Jews because they "killed Christ" was a pretty big part of the Holocaust's success.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

Wrong. The paranoia that Jews were in charge of the world's money (still part of the neo-Nazi creed) was.

And, uh, I wouldn't call one of the greatest tragedies of the last hundred years a "success".

Re: 187

[tacky-tramp.livejournal.com]

LOL epic n00b to the history of anti-semitism.

Re: 187

[ketchupblood.livejournal.com]

In that case, I would blame people for being stupid, or maybe just gullible, because that's not Christianity.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

You think 1900 years of Christianity didn't have any influence on the values and ideals of those who engineered the Holocaust? Then you're a fool.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

...

are you insane, or just really, really ignorant about history?

Combine a country smarting from blows to economy and pride after WWI, a charismatic, psychotic leader, convenient scapegoats for economic woes, and an incredible PR campaign, and you have a recipe for major international disaster.

You do know that Hitler wasn't Christian, right? He had Jewish ancestors, was raised Catholic, but blamed the Church in large part for "the racial situation" in Europe as he saw it, and left it behind.

Re: 187

[ketchupblood.livejournal.com]

Explain, please.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

You've heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the European Witch Hunts, right? Then you've got spreading disease with missionaries all over the world and screwing up people's local native traditions, being one of the most powerful forces for oppression of women, as well as a tool for the powerful to maintain their power over everyone underneath them... I could go on and on and on.

Re: 187

[ketchupblood.livejournal.com]

Because before Christianity, no one oppressed women, correct? And the powerful didn't stay powerful?

I'll admit that it was a tool, but that's because people took the religion and twisted it to use as a means to an end. I will admit that a lot of horrible things were done in the name of the church, and if you were saying that the church was an active force for violence for much of its existence, I probably wouldn't argue with you, but that isn't what you said. What you said was that a religion--a set of beliefs none of which condone violence against any group, except perhaps hypocrites--created evil.

As for the missionaries, I can only say that evil implies a certain amount of intent, and the intent was good even if you look at it now as unwarranted.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

Richard Dawkins's inaccurate and sloppily-researched tirades are to blame for a lot of the misinformation out there....including a lot of the nonsense you are spouting.

The King James edition of the Bible was responsible for a great deal of the spread of literacy. People could read things in their own language; books weren't confined to an elite caste and a tongue no one spoke any longer.

Much of the nursing up until the last century was done by nuns. Where do you think the symbolism of the Red Cross comes from?

I'd blame imperialism and power-hungry monarchs for the spread of disease, not the missionaries who went in after the conquistadors.

You're oversimplifying and scapegoating to the point of nonsensicality.

Re: 187

[sox-4-puppets.livejournal.com]

Okay, there is so much wrong with your reply here, I'll only single out one.

OPPRESSION OF WOMEN IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. Jesus, you know, the dude it's BASED on? Was one of THE leading feminists of his time. He had women disciples, followers, even MARRIED ones and God forbid, A PROSTITUTE that became an apostle!

The oppression of women came from the cardinals of the CATHOLIC church, who, in an effort to keep women out of the priesthood, made up all sorts of crap and it snowballed. REAL christianity is actually a freer of women, because Christ is "no respecter of persons" And God sees us as 'NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE'.. geesh, study something before you spout off at the mouth.

Men are imperfect. But blaming Christianity for all mankind's ills is just ignorant. Does Christianity keep women in burkas in the middle east? Does it promote the class system in India which causes people to starve and die of treatable disease? Ever hear of Mother Teresa? She lived in Calcutta FIGHTING that until she died. uuuuugh ignorant fanbrat.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

Blaming all of Chrisiantiy for the Witch Hunts makes as much sense as blaming all of Paganism for feeding people to lions. In other words, it doesn't.

An interesting note, also: it was the imperialists and fighting force who came in and "conquered". Many of the missionaries worked hard to try to record native traditions before they disappeared. Missionaries urged many South American tribes to record their languages and history on codices.

Imperialism is bad, no doubt about it. All of it. But the missionaries were cultural damage control at the same time that they worked to convert people...it was the secular part of the invasion force who were the ones spreading most of the venereal disease, boozing and wenching it up.

The Vikings did the same thing. So did the Celts...or can you only look at 1900 years of history at once?

Because there were no invasions before Christ was born, right? What Roman empire? What Egyptian dynasties?

Study archaeology. The moar you know.

SO GOOD YOU GET IT TWICE!!

[cdaae.livejournal.com]

Re: 187

[childings.livejournal.com]

You're a fucking retard if you can't see that people use religion as a justification for the evils they do. THAT DOESN'T MAKE RELIGION RESPONSIBLE.

Every war in human history was caused by one thing -- money. In the olden days land grabs were economic booms.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

How about you read the rest of the comments so you know what we're talking about before you chip in with your weighty 2 cents?

Re: 187

[childings.livejournal.com]

I did read it, and my comment still stands

Re: 187 - what the fuck are you on?

[likekind.livejournal.com]

you are high. there is no other explanation for how you can think the way you do.

i'm not going to get into an argument with you about history, because the other posters in this thread have done so eloquently and accurately. but you really think that if christianity didn't exist, similar squabbles over power wouldn't happen? that diseases wouldn't have been spread as people explored and conquered the globe? that the desperate wars over land and money and people would be solved with peace and love? no other belief system would crop up and allow humans to justify atrocities?

it's true that the western world has done a lot of bad shit over the last 2000 years as it has come to dominance in the world sphere. it's also true that christianity has been the biggest factor affecting the philosophy of the western world. but to equate the two, to ignore the economic, political, geographical, and historical factors and to blame all things supposedly done in the name of christianity, and some that weren't, on the religion is just a bit more than faintly ridiculous.

and it also totally dismisses the good that has been done in the name of christianity, in the spirit of love that jesus truly represented.

i'm an agnostic, but even i find your ignorant posturing on this topic insulting.

Re: 187 - lol agnostics

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/index.html

Re: 187 - lol agnostics

[likekind.livejournal.com]

ty 4 lerning me gud mr anon. i completely retract my earlier statements because you have shown me the light with these clever little lego men acting out bible quotes with no textual, let alone cultural and historical context.

and similarly i bow to your greater ability to copypasta urls, and thus accept your righteous mocking of my spiritual beliefs.

Re: 187

[(Anonymous)]

Um, yes?