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[ SECRET POST #4374 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4374 ⌋

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[Disney/Doctor Who crossover]

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[Avatar: The Last Airbender]

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(Markiplier and his friend Wade)

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[Dumplin' on Netflix]

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[Daredevil]

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[Criminal Minds S03E13 "Limelight"]

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When I eventually do kill myself I think I can be pretty confident it will because I am no longer able to convince myself that the way feminists think about men is the fringe viewpoint.

I Watched a video about the twitter thread "Women, what would you do if men disappeared for a day?", and when I see all these women utterly convinced that all this great evil in the world is because of me and people like me and they believe that it's just... inherent in men and if men would just disappear all the evil would vanish... well when I see this it just makes me want to open my fucking skull, you know?

I think if I thought this was the way women as a whole thought about men, I might just fucking do it. As it is, delusional or not, I think I can convince myself that this is just an insane fringe feminist belief and most people don't think of me like that.

It's mainstream in fandom, but I'd say it's fringe in society as a whole.

I know how you feel because I have to continually remind myself that mainstream culture is not as batshit far left as fandom, or I'd definitely fall into a deep depression.

I think the average person is pretty moderate. I think most women have fathers, brothers, husbands, etc. who are good people, and they love them dearly and would be very sorry if they disappeared for even a day. I know I would.

The type of attitude you're describing is clearly born of abuse. Sometimes it may seem like abuse is the norm, but I don't think it is. I think most people do the best they can.

Honestly, you may be too engrained in the online sphere.That type of thinking isn’t common, but the internet has a way of elevating the voices of fringe groups- and when you spend a lot of time in the netosphere, it feels like the fringe voices are the loudest ones. But as a woman, most women don’t think that way. They do think that misogyny is real, but not that all men are horrible monsters who create all the evil in the world. That kind of rhetoric is largely performative. It’s not real.

You definitely sound like the kind of person that women would love to not have to interact with, and that's why it struck such a nerve with you. Suicide is not a good option though. Try reaching out and getting help instead.

You sound like the kind of person I, as a woman, would not like to interact with, actually.

So, like. I think this is more about your own mental health issues than it is about feminism as such. I don't say that to blame it on you in any way - mental health issues are no picnic, I know that. But I think they are separate things.

and with regards to feminism, I think your interpretation of feminism is not necessarily correct as a result of that. Obviously, I can't generalize too much here, and there probably are feminists who think that men are intrinsically evil, but it's not something that you have to believe in order to be a feminist, nor is it really a mainstream view. The point is more that men (and women) are socialized in some really deeply-rooted ways that are deeply shitty to both genders, and also that society as a whole is structured in ways that are fundamentally inequitable and advantageous to men, and that this affects the way that all of us see the world and act in it.

And when it comes to something like "if all the men were gone" - I think the point is less that biological-masculinity is the actual cause of all those problems, and more that the existence of those deeply gendered structures, and men being around to act out those structures, has impacts on an everyday level even in ways that might be invisible to you or me. It's a testament to how pervasive and influential those social structures are, not to anything intrinsic in male nature. Men and women are socialized to believe in certain fundamental ideas and act in certain ways; men and women act within certain social structures; they make decisions based on those ideas and those structures; and the cumulative effect of those decisions can be absolutely massive in its impact on lived existence, even though each individual choice can seem extremely small or even invisible to the person making it. So talking about if "men were gone" is more of a thought experiment to examine the effect that those structures have, as carried out by the individual choices that men make. It's not about some kind of fundamental curse inherent to maleness.

That's not to say that all men are necessarily good, either. Men are still individual human beings. Feminism doesn't rely on men all being evil as a general class of human being in order to operate. And structures and socialization aren't permanent - you can recognize the existence of those structures, you can recognize the patriarchal concepts in your own mind, you can critically examine yourself, and you can change the way that you think and act. And ultimately, we can do all of that on a societal level. That's really the point of saying that none of these things are intrinsic.

I think there are good reasons for people of any gender to be feminists, and I also hope you get any help you need to live a really happy, decent life.

+1 to all of this.

+1000000

Daaaamn, well said anon!

How about you get help instead of blaming the eeeeeviiiiiil feminists for all your problems?

Jfc I thought you were gone.

You have always. Always. Always. Sought out inflammatory "fringe feminism" to stoke your own coals about how feminists are evil man-haters and oh poor you, you poor man. It is fucking disgusting. It is the worst kind of wallowing self-pity, in the absolute most literal use of the word "wallow", like a pig in its own shit. Pathetically waiting for someone to feel guilty enough to clean you up, just before you tromp back into the pile.

Men are fine. You are the problem.

While you are just the most perfect being in existence, aren't you?
Women are fine. Most feminists are fine. You're a cunt.

They're kinda right tho. Wako has repeatedly blamed problems on everyone else and refused any self-reflection and I know a lot of us got exasperated with him and are just tired of the "woe is me pick me up instead of me seeking real help for my problems" shit he pulls. It's not about being perfect but he refuses to fix his problems and go to therapy.

Anon is still a cunt because if she knows Wako has mental issues and still acts this way, it's not any better than what he does.

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Man, twitter really softened me up! I totally forgot what absolute cunts some people online can be. I have spoken to pro life folks on twitter, people who literally believe I advocate for child murder who are more compassionate to me that some people here. Jesus.

Some of these replies are very kind and are appreciated, and if you have any lingering concerns, thank you but don't worry about it, I slept it off, I'm feeling much more stable today.

To the few genuine assholes here: I think it's time I got back into the crucible of pure hatred and spite that is Fandom Secrets. I need to re-grow that thicker skin that you can only get by talking to the very worst people on the internet, I done some metaphorical wandering, Let me assure you, that's you fine people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSfpoSrCGsQ

Dude, get help. Reacting with spite to things isn't the way. The fact that you're coming back because of spite. Get some actual fucking therapy. I'm tired of seeing you get asspats over and over when I've seen you actually do nothing for your own mental health.

You get your hatred from being a giant "cunt" yourself, though you keep insisting you're ~just honest~ and some shit. You're not. You're an asshole.

... Are you thinking of someone else? I don't think I ever used "Hey I'm just being honest" as any kind of defence for my cuntesque behaviour. I mean, it's true, that is broadly how I think of myself, but I don't think that would make me not a cunt. I think being honest in a particular way at a particular time is among the worst ways to be a true and unrivalled cunt. "A truth that's told with bad intent Beats all the lies you can invent"

But I didn't say I was coming back to be spiteful. I'm saying that FS is spiteful. Or at least has a contingent of people more spiteful than literally anywhere else on the internet. Trust me. I've done my travelling over this last year or so. You guys win. And it's not just the anonymity, I promise you that. there's just something uniquely awful about this kind of denizens that cling to the unwashed arsehole of this community. I can't explain it.

But yeah...Who's giving me asspats? Do... do you think compassion is asspats? Jesus.

And I DID do something for my mental health. I got the hell away from the shitcunts on this very community. Turns out that just made me weaker. Turns out however mean people can be on other corners of the internet, there is just nothing like being part of a community like this for developing a thicker skin.

And you're right. I am absolutely capable of being a true cunt among the worst cunts of the universe. That's not what I did here, tho, is it?

And my mental health is fine. It's, what, one night of soul crushing depression in... 6 months? 1 night in 6 months after finding evidence that a contingent of people think I am uniquely capable of evil because of my immutable characteristics.

If you are telling me to get mental help because I had a low point, for 1 night in a 6 months span, then you either have a crippling reliance on the medical industry to the point that you think human emotions and a sad reaction to things is an illness, or you are using the accusation of mental health as a shaming tactic. If the former, I can tell you what my doctor has told me "We don't want to remove your ability to feel low. Feeling low is a normal part of being a human being. If you are incapable of ever feeling sad that is just as much a failure as always feeling sad. We're not trying to turn you into a robot"

If the latter, you are an example of the kind of human timeshare I used to be able to take in stride. I want to be able to do that again.

Finally:
"You get your hatred from being a giant "cunt" yourself, though you keep insisting you're ~just honest~ and some shit. You're not. You're an asshole."

While it IS possible to be a cunt and an honest person at the same time, or an asshole and an honest person at the same time, it is NOT possible to be a Cunt and an asshole at the same time. The word you are looking for is "cloaca"

*you are an example of the kind of human Shitsmear I used to be able to take in stride

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