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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-05-19 02:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #4517 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4517 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 49 secrets from Secret Submission Post #647.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

What is the worst thing you've ever eaten at a restaurant?

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
^^^^^^

HORROR STORIES!

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
What are your favorite locations and environments for horror?

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
What is it with all the anti-Narnia posts lately? They were written over sixty years ago...now everyone is talking about them. Or is it just the one poster?

Re: What is the worst thing you've ever eaten at a restaurant?

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Half-cooked tilapia that didn't come with the avocado the menu had promised, after nearly 2 hours of waiting.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
This is an A+ secret, op!

Re: Frustrating beta

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I think your beta's the one that doesn't fit, and you should stop forcing it.

A good beta will respect the story that the writer wants to tell, and help the writer get it to be the best story that it can be. It sounds like your current beta is trying to make your stories over into the kind of thing that she wants to read.

You're not trying to rewrite a story to the specifications of an editor who is actually going to give you money to do so. You are writing for fun, and if she wants you to take all the stuff that makes it fun for you out, it's time to part ways.

Tl; dr: you are not a bad author for wanting to leave your beta. You beta is a bad beta. At the very least, she's a bad beta for you, but if she's trying to get you to basically write fic to her specifications, and guilt and manipulate you when you disagree, I'm going to come out and make the statement that she's a bad beta, period.
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[personal profile] sparklywalls 2019-05-19 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I love her look in that film. I think I was one of the only 12 year old girl in the late 90s more bothered about Kate's hair and costumes Vs the existence of Leo. My husband on the other hand was a self-confessed typical 12 year old boy in the late 90s and went to see the film twice because he wanted to see boobs.

I'm sure I read that Kate got a complex about that film because people considered her overweight? I'm like...HOW?!

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Would audiences prefer to watch attractive men over ones that look like they crawled out of a dark cave only to immediately start going into some sort of anaphylaxis? More on this shocking story tonight at six!

Re: Frustrating beta

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Your beta sounds like she's letting her personal preferences get in the way of beta reading. Time to find a new one...ironically, this isn't a good fit.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Right, because there was no criticism of JKR at all in the years between her announcement that 'btw Dumbledore is gay jsyk' and the first Fantastic Beasts movie. None at all.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people just get really mad about a talking Jesus-lion, I guess.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not uncommon for a secret to get the ball rolling and inspire others to make their own secret. I know I've done this lots of times, though not necessarily for this fandom.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not a Cap fan and I still think Tony gets way too much screen time.

Re: Frustrating beta

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
DTMFA

Dump
The
Mother
Fucking
Asshole
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2019-05-19 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I don’t have it on hand, but I remember seeing an article about plans for a Highlander reboot. The writers were having a really hard time leaving it open for a sequel without contradicting “there can only be one.” I found myself wondering why they needed to leave it open for a sequel at all.
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[personal profile] sparklywalls 2019-05-19 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I really soured on MCU Tony for a number of years but I actually warmed to him again during IW. Endgame I didn't really feel much in either direction, though I will admit I cried when *that* happened. I know this comm skews pro-Steve but I'm not particularly a Cap fan either. My favourite franchise was the Thor franchise (yes, all three...not just one of the films.)

I do get the complaints about Tony dominating screen time. I guess it was inevitable because RDJ is so likeable (generally) and there'd be NO MCU without Tony/RDJ being such a success. Even so, I can't with people who don't like the character gloating at his fans about the fact he's dead now and they need to get over it. Because I know very well how that feels. It's easy to say "but he got such a well rounded, multi-film not-rushed arc compared to *insert character*" but really just let people grieve for their fave in peace.

Anyway, he's probably mostly out of it all now apart from Peter Parker is probably going to mention him quite a bit in FFH - but you'd expect that.
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2019-05-19 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Not OP, but I see a lot of posts by Thathopeyetlives, who’s a very Lewis-derived Christian. He always pisses me off so much that I feel like lashing out.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol...the only rational response to ayrt's fake outrage.

Re: What is the worst thing you've ever eaten at a restaurant?

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
A few weeks ago I was out to dinner with my parents, and my dad offered me something on his fork. Him: "try this!" Me: "what is it?" Him: "you'll like it!" Me: *slightly dubious but eats the thing*

First there was the gritty texture, like I had bitten into a small pouch of sand. Then came the taste - sickly sweet, with sharp undertones, like some sort of liqueur custom designed for me to hate. I gagged, downed my glass of water, refilled it, downed it again, then gave up and drank straight from the bottle until it was empty and the worst of the taste had been washed from my mouth.

Meanwhile, there was this exchange between my parents - Mum: "what was that?" Dad: "a fig!" Mum: "she hates figs! You know she hates figs!" Dad: "oh."

Then the waitress brought us a new bottle of water, and nothing more was said about it.

Re: Frustrating beta

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
this belief that everything in the fic needs a reason to be there or to 'fit'

I think this is largely true for things like movies and plays, where you have extremely limited time to tell a clear, concise story. It's somewhat true for things like TV and novels.

I don't think it's true for fanfic. Fanfic is a whole lot more flexible about stuff like that, IMO.

everything she personally doesnt like seems to "not fit" and when i try to make it a part of the fic, I'm "forcing it"

Without being able to read the fic, this is a hard call. Like, you're beta sounds really bad here, but at the same time, I've definitely read plenty of not very good fics that have a problem with internal consistency - where things just seem to come out of nowhere with no real logic or flow.

IMO this tends to be mainly an issue with things the characters do and feel. So like, if the writer wants one of their characters to cry in the other's arms, but they're impatient so they do almost no work to get the characters to that point, instead just forcing it to happen. Or the writer wants two characters who are just meeting to be incredibly attracted to each other, but again, they're impatient, so they skip any sort of build up, don't actually give the characters any particular reason to be wildly attracted to each other, and instead just jump right to both characters barely restraining themselves from fucking on a desk. IMO that pretty much always feels forced and cheap.

But OTOH, when it comes to stuff that happens to the characters, I don't think you generally need to work that hard to justify it or make it feel natural. You invent a reason for them to have to share a bed, and they share a bed. You invent a reason for one of them to get hurt, because you want the sexy, protective, intimate scene where the other patches them up. You invent an OC that hits on one of them because you want the jealousy feels.

It's getting to the point where I dont enjoy fic writing anymore.

Going beta-less is always going to be better than losing your enjoyment for writing and quitting. You are not obligated to bust your ass with betas and rewrites. Being receptive to a beta/editor is great, but writing and enjoying it is number one.

Re: Based on 9

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Powerwolf is great fun live.

Re: Based on 9

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Myrath - 'Shehili'
Devin Townsend - 'Empath'

Re: Based on 9

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
They're really good.

Re: Frustrating beta

(Anonymous) 2019-05-19 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
So. Okay. A lot of people can't really tell the difference between "media I like" and "well written media" and they assume that if they like it, that's an indicator of overall quality. Your beta is kind of the opposite... if she doesn't like it, she assumes it's not good.

However. I've betaed before for people who had tropes or themes they really, really liked to the point where they weren't able to be objective about it. It was like dealing with someone who loved mustard sooooo much they wanted to put it in EVERYTHING. Hot dogs and potato salad? Cool. In ice cream? Uh... not if you're planning on feeding this to an audience who doesn't necessarily share your tastes. Sometimes people are receptive to this advice, other times it's like OH NO YOU'RE TOTALLY WRONG EVERYONE'S GONNA LOVE MY MUSTARD VANILLA CAKE WITH DIJON FROSTING YOU'RE THE CRAZY ONE K

That said, I think you should find a new beta anyway. Even if she's picking up on this issue correctly, she's not being terribly kind or diplomatic about it and the whole "maybe you should quit then" just sounds childish and sulky. It's time to find a new beta, hopefully one who can assess your fic objectively and see if maybe there's a chance you're trying to shoehorn in things that don't fit, or if you're actually fine.

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