[ SECRET POST #4522 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4522 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Matrix]


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03.
[Mr Meaty]


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[Roxanne from A Goofy Movie]


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05. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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06. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]

[Arya/Gendry]


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07. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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08. [SPOILERS for Avengers Endgame]



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09. [SPOILERS for Avengers Endgame]



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10. [SPOILERS for Dawson's Creek]



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11. [WARNING for abuse, etc.]

[ProJared]



















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #647.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Why would you feel guilty about this? Is it any different from supprting any other creator?

[(Anonymous)]

This is not my personal opinion, but lots of people feel that sites like Patreon are leading "the commercialization of fandom"

[(Anonymous)]

Not everyone using Patreon and the like are selling fanworks, though. There are a lot of original content creators out there, too, and I don't think all fandom-related works really count as commercialized fandom. A movie-reviewer with a Patreon is more like a movie-reviewer who gets paid by a newspaper than a fanzine contributor.

[(Anonymous)]

Depends. If it is money just to pay for supplies and such I don't have a problem. But I actually think it is wrong and also a clear copyright violation to profit from someone else's intellectual property. Fanworks for free isn't a problem. Getting money for supplies is fine. But actual profit is not.

[(Anonymous)]

Copyright is a legal standard and not a moral one. It's not prima facie morally wrong to commercialize fanworks simply on the grounds that it's a copyright violation. And talking about intellectual property, from a strictly moral point of view, clearly requires a bunch of discussions about who actually holds and benefits from intellectual property ownership.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people here are extremely against the idea of fans getting money for fanwork

[(Anonymous)]

Doujinshi rarely make a profit though and have a price mostly to recoup costs. Western fandom is a lot more blatant about their commercialization since a lot of companies don't bother prosecuting.

[(Anonymous)]

This. There's a big, big difference between paying for printed zines and the like that need to cover production cost, and paying for fanwork published electronically.

[(Anonymous)]

well now I'm even more angry at people who go over, stock up on 100yen doujin, and come over here to resell it at $25/pop.

[(Anonymous)]

Why? The secondhand market is a completely different beast based entirely on supply and demand. The price of an item on the secondhand market has no correlation to its original selling price whatsoever.

[(Anonymous)]

Because someone directly profiting off a non-profit venture is pretty shameless.

[(Anonymous)]

There's an expense when it comes to doujinshi, like paper, ink, and printing, that goes beyond the creators content. So buying a doujinshi isn't the same as paying for fanfiction, imo.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand that distinction at all

[(Anonymous)]

Fanfic, unless printed, doesn't cost money to produce. Doujinshi does.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, one, being alive costs money, and being alive is a prerequisite for producing fanfiction.

Two, more generally, what is the moral aspect of the distinction where one is better than the other.

[(Anonymous)]

What if you’re just paying for people’s vacations?

Musicians, OK. Fanartists, OK. But fanfiction writers don’t need patreons or money donations.

[(Anonymous)]

What's the difference between fanartists and fan writers here

[(Anonymous)]

Fanart is often in a material form like a badge or enamel pin of your fave character, both of which cost money to make. It's also easier to appreciate fanart that's barebones and unpolished, like a pencil sketch of your otp.

Fanfiction is usually digitized and online instead of in print and why should people pay money for something there's so much of out in the world? It's also harder to appreciate fanfiction that's barebones and unpolished, like a badfic that the fanfiction writer didn't beta for SPAG or an imagine fanfiction that's basically a fanfiction outline. Why should people pay for such low tier writing? You will find that the good writers usually don't ask for money and often are authors who publish or plan to publish under their real names because they don't need to make money from fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

...you do realize people DO publish fic in hard copy much the same way fanartists might, no? Or are you just that I’ll-informed?

Wait, no, reading the rest of your comment, you ARE that stupid.

[osidiano]

Loving all these comments about how fanfic authors don't have costs associated with their work like fanartists do, simply because they publish the final version online (which fanartists also do?? It's not like you're going to a gallery and seeing it in person). Because no one writes the drafts in notebooks, right? And that 125,000 word fic you love so much was definitely organized and written in a free open source writing program, right? And a writer's time is totally worth less than a "real artist's" right??

I'm with you, OP. If you don't have a problem supporting artists and musicians, why should fanartists or filk musicians or plushie makers or whatever be that different? I think it's awesome that you're giving back to the community that gives you so much joy. Especially with the way the gig economy is undermining the gains made by the Labor Movement (at least here Stateside), it seems stupid to look down on people for trying to find ways to keep doing what they love.

[jadeile]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

That's not what is being said here. Most of the people who are against fic writers making a profit are also against fanartists making a profit since they are using another's IP to do so. What people are okay with is money to recoup costs that are inherent with publishing print media for distribution.

Additionally, I think you're overstating costs and ignoring that artists have similiar, if not more expensive costs, and are also being told they shouldn't make a profit from fanworks. Everyone has internet and libreoffice is free. A notebook and pen is like 10 bucks at most.

[osidiano]

I'm not saying artists don't have those costs. I'm saying that writers ALSO have costs, so fanfic writers having Patreons to recoup costs or whatever doesn't mean they're necessarily "making a profit." Libreoffice may be free, but it's a bitch and a half to use to organize novel-length works, much like Microsoft Word, which tends to crash when you're trying to go through a 500 page manuscript. And artists and writers are both using pens and paper; all the drafts and practice work take up resources, and not all organization and creative methods use the same kind of stuff. Asking for commission so you can afford Scrivener is not fundamentally different than doing commissions so you can get Illustrator or Photoshop, or like your internet, which isn't free.

And again, people's time has value, and artists -- whether they're writers or painters or sculptors or designers -- deserve to be paid for their work.

Like, I get it, IP is a big deal, but if you're making content that the IP holder just isn't, then it's not like you're not taking away anything from the IP holder. They're not losing profit or business.

[(Anonymous)]

Patreon is a shitty site with shitty policies. I wish people wouldn't support it.