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He went full TERF and now has been attacking transgender women as "part of the patriarchy" and drawing those who identify with different pronouns as zombies who follow the devil and hate women.

Basically. I jumped ship about a month ago when he started with "Gender correction camps" and Gender-specific pills given out by the pHARMacy, when it made CLEAR that he thought transgender people are part of the problem against women. Checked out today just to see if he had changed tunes and it got even WORSE.

They're not wrong that you can't identify out of privilege which trans women still have benefited from male privilege. They have been part of the patriarchy especially any man that transitions in middle age. they don't suddenly give those educationally and social privileges they enjoyed back, do they? If someone had an easier time in a career getting raises and promotions because they were male they don't forfeit all of that privilege when they come out.

how about you shut the fucking fuck up you fuck
oh my god
no one cares about your shitty ass opinions

"you can't identify out of privilege"

eat a bag of dicks and choke

See this is the problem with children. They always fall apart if you dare say anything that doesn't agree with them.

But thank you for proving me right. If you had any real counter argument you would have said something beside fuck.

Have a wonderful night.

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2nding the above. Eat a bag of dicks and choke.

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It's true that the benefits a trans woman has accrued from the privilege of being male-presenting over the course of her life don't disappear once she transitions. However that fact, that they've in some sense derived some historic benefits from the patriarchy, does not make trans women "part of the patriarchy." They're not part of the patriarchy, and at the same time that they've derived some incidental benefits from patriarchy, they've also suffered from patriarchal inequality, and the cis- and hetero-normativity and anti-trans bigotry that are attendant parts of patriarchal inequality.

On another note, fuck you.

Hear, hear.

I also would note that the argument about educational privilege is particularly daft, because the main barriers to educational attainment in Western countries are not primarily to do with gender.* It's pretty much irrelevant that you get to keep it, because that's privilege that's primarily to do with your class of origin and family background, which would have been the same whether or not you were cis or trans, and regardless of your gender.

* There are some exceptions, of course - there's no real female equivalent of Eton - but they're still vastly less significant than class.

Tell that to my trans-women friends who were fired when they dared to come out. To my trans-women friends who can't find a job unless is as "escorts" BECAUSE they're trans and have lost many, many friends to violence because apparently you can still hire a trans sex-worker and then use "but she tricked me" as a defense and no one cares they're killed because people like you think "they're not women". And what, are you going to argue that trans-men are "traitors to the gender" because they suddenly get a lot of male privilege (As long as society think they're cis men?) Seriously, that idea of "you can't identify out of privilege" is absurd. Of Course you can. It's only that most cis people are never faced with the choice to do so just to be themselves.

My cousin was disowned at sixteen because her father wanted a son, not another daughter. She collapsed on a bus and died from advanced cancer when she was in her 40s because after so many years of abuse and rejection she was too afraid to try and find a doctor who wouldn't turn her away. Because, as we know, no doctor has ever treated a patient with a dick for cancer before. So yeah. No benefit from sixteen years of patriarchy there.

Edited 2019-06-20 02:28 (UTC)

You can't identify out of previous benefits of privilege, and it takes work to unlearn the toxic attitudes that frequently come along with being a part of the privileged class, it's true.

But trans women who come out as trans do not continue to benefit from male privilege, and face disprivilege both as women and as non-cis people. Gender (as opposed to sex) has only recently become a protected class in my country, and still isn't protected everywhere. Prior to that (and currently in places where gender identity is not protected) it was legal and not uncommon for trans women to be fired for being trans, and to subsequently have to struggle to find a new position in male-dominated fields. Career stalls are still common. Trans women in tech and science have frequently noted a devaluing of their work after coming out, including instances of retroactive devaluing when their previous names have been linked to their current ones.

They are no longer a part of the patriarchy because they are no longer socially perceived as men, save by social regressives who see a lack of performance of masculinity as a reason to further discriminate against and frequently actively physically harm them.

Love this comment. 1000% agree.

Very well put.

And they...gave up that privilege because they were desperately unhappy and are often treated worse by society than cis women through and following transition.

Listen to yourself.

You know, it really costs nothing to not be a cock to trans folks. I'm not trans, but they have to swim through more shit than Andy Dufresne.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you, but mostly I'm here to say I love that analogy.

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Actually they do. Transwomen have a hard time keeping jobs, have a hard time finding jobs after they're "let go" because of their status as trans, if they do get employed or allowed to keep their jobs they're usually reduced to a joke for everyone else to snicker at. All their "male privileges" go right out the window as soon as they start transitioning.

Keep telling yourself that you have it worse than people who risk being beaten to death every time they use a bathroom. You are blind to your own privilege and that's disgusting.

Yeah, that was the last straw for me. After years of watching the once-good comic slowly turn into a strawman-filled nightmare of a radfem trainwreck, the TERF nonsense is what made me finally delete the comic from my bookmarks, like I should have done ages ago. The thing is, I was pretty sure Tat would eventually out himself as a transphobe, so I can't say that I was surprised when he did, but damn was it still super disappointing.

Another thing is, for all of the comic's anti-porn/sex work propaganda, the sex worker characters are still constantly being drawn in an incredibly sexualized and provocative manner. It kind of reminds me of the movie Suckerpunch, 'cause the vibe throughout the whole film seemed to be "Ooooh, these women are being abused and sexually exploited, isn't that just terrible, but isn't it so fucking hot? *fap fap fap*" and Sinfest seems to have kind of a similar (if somewhat less extreme) vibe going for it as well. Maybe it's just me, though.

Agreed on both points - I don't know if I actually bookmarked Sinfest, but I checked in every once in a while for years, and... yeah. Shit got weird.
And yes, it's pretty hard to take the "Sex workers are exploited and oppressed and that's bad" seriously when it's all *sexy* exploitation and *sexy* oppression.

I was giving Tat the benefit of the doubt as I thought a lot of the RF nosense (Before it was obvious it was TERF nonsense and not just radical feminism) was mostly "Baby first steps into feminism", because, well, you can't get everything right in your first attempt. When he introduced the old tired joke of "I identify as an helicopter" and the gender-correction camps? I NOPED really fast out of it.

And yes, for someone who is anti-porn/sex-workers (Because he seems to have a hate-boner for every woman who chooses to work in erotica, no matter why she does so), he leans heavily into the fanservice.

Pardon.

Yikes!

I feel like that would have been a better choice to show Sinfest was way off the rails than the image OP went for.....

Agreed. I mean, last time I glanced (which was when this secret was posted) there was a strip with trans women attacking a black rad fem, then pretending the rad fem attacked them and the police saying "Both sides did wrong things". It's.. really sad.

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