[ SECRET POST #4738 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4738 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Disagreeing with TRAs' bullshit =/= transphobia. Are trans women like Blaire White who agree with the tweet and the idea that biological sex exists transphobic?

[(Anonymous)]

"TRA" is a transphobic dogwhistle, and biological sex isn't "real" in the "trans women are really men" way that you're thinking.

[(Anonymous)]

Blaire White is a transphobe. A person can be a member of a group and still bigoted against that group. She makes a habit of perpetuating transphobia, sharing and signal boosting scare stories that she knows TERFs and transphobes will love, she's deliberately misgendered other trans people before, she repeatedly attacks other trans women for the misfortune of not being able to pass well, she's used the T-word to refer to them....She is a transphobic trans woman.

It's disingenuous as fuck to pretend it's merely "agreement that biological sex exists". If trans people didn't think biological sex existed, we wouldn't be having any problem in the first place, think it through. But biological sex isn't everything, or even relevant to the majority of interactions. There's no biological basis for pronouns that means someone with XY chromosomes MUST be referred to as "he".

It's not "agreeing that sex exists", it's using that as an excuse to be a twat towards trans people and trying to pass it off as a scientific fact instead of a deliberate choice to treat trans people badly.

[(Anonymous)]

Biological sex exists. It just doesn't fucking matter in polite society, so bringing it up is a transphobic dogwhistle because it's ALWAYS brought up only in reference to trans people.

[(Anonymous)]

For fuck's sake, being trans doesn't magically excuse you from being transphobic. That's like saying Lauren Southern can't be a misogynist despite spewing the most misogynist rhetoric because she's female. In fact, the right uses identity politics like what you're trying to do right now to peddle their regressive BS. Blair White being a major perpetrator, Candace Owens being another, both of whom are massive pieces of shit human beings.

[(Anonymous)]

She wasn’t talking about trans people, google “Gregor Murray”

[hey_hey_hey]

With self-ID laws accidentally calling a male bodied person who presents in a stereotypical masculine way "he" is bad and mean.

[(Anonymous)]

Forstater claimed an absolute right to misgender trans people, and her behavior made it reasonable to think that she would do so.

[(Anonymous)]

Maya Forstater, who she was tweeting about, most definitely is transphobic. She has stated again and again that not only are transwomen males, but that they are males that somehow compromise women's safety and privacy.

Forstater commented about Pips/Philip Bunce, who identifies as gender-fluid, “He is a part-time cross dresser who mainly goes by the name of Phillip” and “Bunce is a white man who likes to dress in women’s clothes”.

Forstater also tweeted this “Pronouns are rohypnol: important
article by ... Sure, sometimes preferred pronouns are polite, and we
can be polite when we chose. Bu every women has learnt from
experience that politeness is exploitable & can put us in danger.
Pronouns are Rohypnol. They change our perception, lower our
defences, make us react differently, alter the reality in front of us
They’re meant to.
They numb us.
They confuse us.
They remove our instinctive safety responses.
They work.”

It's the more insidious type of transphobia, the kind that sounds reasonable from an angle - that sex and gender are not the same, which is true, but what she seems to actually mean is that a transwoman will never be a woman, no matter how a transwoman feels, or if surgery or hormone therapy happens, and that transwomen are dangerous and it is unfair if they are considered women because they haven't had to deal with gender discrimination their whole lives.

[(Anonymous)]

Go be whatever gender you. Live your best life. But don't deny science and say you can change sex because then you are no better than a flat earther.

And before you fascists "no platform" Jo take the time to learn the differences between sex and gender.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not relevant to defending Forstater. Citing it as relevant is either transphobic or massively, negligently, implausibly ignorant on JKR's part.

[(Anonymous)]

Honest question: how often in your daily life do you quiz people on the status of their DNA and genitals?

The existence of trans people and their rights to be treated with respect has jack shit to do with "denying science" and you know it.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you should take a little time to learn *why* Maya Forstater went to court about this. She isn't defending her right to separate the ideas of "sex" and "gender" (both of which are more complicated than she's admitting) she's going to court because she wants the right to identify people as whatever biological sex she thinks they are, regardless of medical reality or their chosen gender.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 !

[(Anonymous)]

Man, the existence of intersex people must trigger you something fierce.

[(Anonymous)]

People need to get out of their internet echo chambers.

From a real world perspective, that tweet was polite as hell.

When someone can't express an opinion respectfully without receiving death or rape threats, they are not the problem.

I see why my trans friends avoid the online trans community now. "They're batshit" was an accurate summary.

[(Anonymous)]

Saying prejudiced, offensive things politely doesn't make them any less offensive or wrong. Whether or not someone is polite doesn't matter if what they are saying is terrible. People put too much stock in polite in both directions: offensive things are supposedly fine if said politely and people who are angry at being discriminated against are judged for not being polite. Polite is not a universal measure of what is good or right to say.

[(Anonymous)]

My feelings about people's gender identity is firmly to live and let live, but I lost a lot of respect for the political side of the trans community after what happened to Contrapoints.

[(Anonymous)]

The tweet was polite and also transphobic. People are reacting to the fact that it was transphobic, not to the perception that it was impolite. Reacting to transphobia and calling it transphobic is not inappropriate.

No one should receive death or rape threats. On the other hand, receiving death or rape threats doesn't make you right, or not a bigot. And frankly, it's a sad fact but at this point it seems like most online controversies involve rape threats or death threats of some kind or other regardless of the communities involved.

[(Anonymous)]

People like you with your "oh, if they say their fascist or bigoted rhetoric under the guise of appearing respectful and refined, then it's worth listening to or not decrying and it's wrong to criticize them!" bullshit are why absolute scum like Richard Spencer, Stefan Molyneux, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, etc. get platformed. Optics is all that matters when you're vapid as shit.

[meadowphoenix]

interestingly enough, i think she does have traditional gender shit in her off-brand detective novels, but the stuff in harry potter is far more subtler and probably more personally motivated than philosophical. so i wouldn't say she was traditional in that about all. she's tropey is the problem

as for the last part of your comment, the liberal feminism steps past the transphobic line, but i can assure you that line isn't clear to many people. and a lot of the discourse rolls right into misogyny. as far as many people are concerned they're being defensive about their own marginalized spaces and identities, and they are because this is all talking about marginalization on the same axis of gender, but they're being told its defensiveness because of privilege, which i just don't think is possible along the same axis as their own oppression. sometimes the bottom of the hegemony has multiple marginalizations that don't really privilege any one in toto

as for myself, i think gender is an oppressive construct, and so i don't at all care where you find yourself in it, but i wish the actual problems of gender's construct: the push for personalization which is a method of socialization, and the denial of the brainwashing power of socialization, weren't downright rejected for the purpose of validating movement along the construct. the purpose of gender has never been freedom and you can't reclaim it into something that is.

[(Anonymous)]

Well that's a very sweeping statement with no back up evidence.

[(Anonymous)]

Biological sex is real. I don’t really see how that is even arguable. This whole drama is just horseshit.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m just laughing about the discourse every time she says some stupid attention grabbing thing..