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[ SECRFET POST #5023 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5023 ⌋

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I kind of agree. It doesn't hurt that sometimes a pairing is canon, but it's not written well or the actors aren't particularly compelling acting it out. There are also aspects of any product that just aren't that great. I think people have this idea that everything is "take it or leave it" but you can like part of something while acknowledging that another part of it ISN'T great.

While I agree, that comparison is a bit much

Can you just say you prefer the non-canon ship?
It's fine to like things that aren't canon.

You don't have to do mental gymnastics to justify how it totally IS canon... if you just squint, and tilt your head to this angle, and understand subtext, and know things about literature.

that's....not what the secret says? if anything it's angry at people who insist that OP must acknowledge canon ships because they're canon.

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(Anonymous) - 2020-10-07 06:00 (UTC) - Expand

It's disappointing to find that out about Ray Bradbury considering a) a lot of what he wrote wound up on TV in some form and b) the whole "books=good TV=bad" dichotomy is nonsense anyway. Plenty of bad books existed both before and after TV was invented.

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I fully support non-canon ships. More than half of mine are non-canon. What I hate is when someone insists their pairing is really canon and will fight to the death to defend it. Like they will say X is gay when X has never looked at a same gender person in a romantic or sexual way. And get mad when you don't agree.

Oh god this so much. I have seen too many who write like butts are self-lubricating - and the rimming descriptions? Look I can believe there are folks who are really enthusiastic about licking there, but no way does anyone's rear end taste like honey/candy/whatever food comparison unless there's food flavored lube involved or a candy cane got use in the prepping process.

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(Anonymous) - 2020-10-06 23:41 (UTC) - Expand

Most people in fandom already regard the canon ships as take it or leave it (and more often than not ‘leave it’), so I assume your gripe is with the public, and the common public attitude of, “The fans like to imagine X and Y together? Why ever would they do that? Oh, how strange and embarrassing of them! Don’t they know that’s not what the author intended?!”

Which, yeah, that’s annoying. But it’s the normies. They don’t get it because they’re normies. C’est la vie.

I'm not sure what you mean by "respect"? People can ship whatever they want, a non canon ship can certainly be more compelling than the canon one (though it's subjective what constitutes "compelling" tbh.) But you can't de-canon a canon pairing. Ignore it in your fanworks, sure, write lengthy essays on why it sucks/your preferred ship is better, sure, we've all done that, but it's still gonna be the canon ship. You don't have to justify your preference with death of the author, you just have to like one ship better than the other.

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feotakahari - 2020-10-06 23:33 (UTC) - Expand

I think it's fine to acknowledge that a friendship was written with more depth than a romance that's supposed to be the main focus. I also think it's fine to criticize the romance, or argue that that friendship should have been the romance.

But no matter how bland or sucky the romance is... it exists. It happened. And no amount of hating on it is going to make it as though it never happened. To me, respecting a romance just means acknowledging that yes, it is or was a thing in canon. However, feel free to completely erase that romance in fic.

Wait, we're supposed to respect canon pairings now? Since when?

There's always been a faction of fandom that insists their OTP has to be for really real or it doesn't count. That faction is stupid. Ignore them and ship what you want.

I didn't know there were people saying that we had to respect canon pairings. I love Digimon, but it's been about twenty years and I still don't accept Sora/Matt.

I think worthless television destroying literature is a legit problem but I am an elitist asshole

F451 is about both censorship and the dumbing down of culture even if the author was more concerned about one of those issues, methinks

Totally agree. If the chemistry (sorry, anti-chemistry Anon!) just isn't there, or the 'romance' is poorly written...why should I care? I'm not gonna get online and scream at the author, but I sure will ship the fuck out of the characters that *do* click, and I'm not gonna be sorry or ashamed.

Like, I don't really care what people ship as long as they don't start pushing how their ship was "really" some super-secret canon on some level of wink-wink-nudge-nudge coding between the creators and the viewer. I may not like the canon (text) ship, but it's what's there to to talk about when we look at issues like commercial representation.

I'm confused as to who you think is demanding you do this, as most fandoms don't respect the canon ship, to the point of insisting that their personal preference is actually the correct one. And a creator talking about the canon ship being canon isn't demanding you respect it either, as it's just a literal fact.

Outside of perhaps a few instances most fandoms are doing what you say they should: not respecting the canon ship just because it's canon.

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the whole idea that one ship deserves more ~respect~ than another for any reason is really silly, to begin with.

Hell yeah fuck canon

This has very little to do with the actual secret, but thank you for mentioning that about Fahrenheit 451. It never made sense to me as an anti-censorship story, but now that I know Bradbury thought it was about bad television, it does.

I can agree with this to an extent. Most of my ships are non-canon, but a lot of them are what-if scenarios because either one is a villain or the two in question never meet in canon. Like one of my most favorite ships in atla is Zuko/Yue.

I can accept not everyone is going to agree with what I ship, or they'll think the canon ship is somehow superior. That doesn't make them any more correct than me because the author intended their ship but not mine. On the other hand, I think respect for the canon ship means not tearing it down or harassing fans of it just because it's not something I like. But it's a two way street and if we cannot coexist in the same sandbox, hopefully they'd have enough respect to leave me alone to do my own thing.

As someone who has not experienced the crazies of 'THIS IS CANON BECAUSE THE ILLUMINATI TOLD ME SO!1!', I disagree with you on a general standpoint.

Canon is an established fact of a series. It is exactly why I prefer my OTP's not to be canon 99% of the time. Canon establishes limits and integrities the character are then expected to follow if only because that is who the character is, or is expected to be.

A character can be considered OCC in canon when the narrative is forced to imply or give a certain prerogative or interest which does not suit the core intention of the character themselves. (this is something that happens often in comics)

Regardless of which, canon is overwhelmingly /who/ that individual is. If said canon character doesn't fit with their significant other, then the due process is to ~~ignore~~ /establish why that is.

Otherwise you're talking true OC's. Characters you /WANT/ these people to be, ignorant as to who they are, but don't give enough of a fuck to care.

I just don't like how it shows most people still think your deepest relationship (that isn't family) has to be a romance. You can be romantically into someone and love them very much and still love your best friend even more platonically.

And no this opinion isn't gendered or an excuse to say there shouldn't be more gay couples in fiction because FRIENDSHIP! Give me more male-female platonic besties too.

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(Anonymous) - 2020-10-07 08:58 (UTC) - Expand

Controversial take on Fahrenheit 451: I think that the people who are most invested in the book standing for censorship didn't read it but just read a summary or cliff notes which is a perfect example of the simplifying of art that Bradbury is railing against.

But yeah, canon ships aren't any more important to me than any other. Maybe I'm more likely to be invested in canon/supported ships because if the media wastes a lot of time on a ship I don't like I might bail. But I might also be more interested in non-canon ships because I already have the canon to explore that relationship. Anyway, "But It's Canon!" holds no weight for me. What's fun is fun!

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