[ SECRET POST #5384 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5384 ⌋

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[Vanessa Ives, Penny Dreadful]


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[Binging with Babish]


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Comments

[fscom]

05. https://i.imgur.com/DcVLarO.png

[(Anonymous)]

I agree.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

[(Anonymous)]

It seems like something that he has a personal issue of some kind with touching people, it's something he's generally extremely uncomfortable with, and so I don't personally think you can get mad at him for it.

But I also think he's a dickhead anyway, because he seems like a jerk in general, and also he dated a high-schooler while he was on Seinfeld which is very scummy.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, sorry. I'm way more squicked by someone who would demand a hug in the first place, fellow celebrity or not. Schmoozing is one thing, demanding intimate physical contact from a stranger just because you're at the same event is quite another.

No feelings on Seinfeld either way, or Kesha for that matter, but she's the dick in this situation, not him.

[(Anonymous)]

"demand" lol. Weird take, but ok.

[(Anonymous)]

Good for him.

[meadowphoenix]

hmmm, it's going to be him dating a high school student when he was 38 for me!

but not this. I think you can be prick and within your rights, but I don't think you're a prick for refusing to be manipulated by circumstances/being the object of a prick move. And it's a prick move to use a public setting as pressure for something innocuous, so Kesha's prick act here justifies his response.

[(Anonymous)]

That seems like a wildly ungenerous (and improbable) take to me, to assume that Kesha was "using a public setting as pressure." That's definitely the "zerbas" explanation of her motivations. The "horses" explanation is: he was there, she was there, she'd never been in the same place as him before and was thus delighted to have the chance to say hello, express her appreciation for his work, and ask for a hug. You know, like a person.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking hate Seinfeld, may he kiss my ass. I feel bad for the hate that Kesha is getting here because she's been through a lot of abuse from the entertainment industry, and I don't think she's trying to be bad for wanting to give a hug to someone she (unfortunately) admired.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who has been through a lot in the industry, she should know better than anyone how creepy and uncomfortable it can be getting cornered and cajoled for hugs from random fans.

[(Anonymous)]

He's a prick 100%, but he also has the right to refuse hugs if he doesn't like giving them. No one owes another person physical contact, even if they are a dick.

[(Anonymous)]

If he was the one who wanted the hug from her, would you think she was the jerk for refusing him?

Like, I'm not going to give him very many points because he seems like a gross person--but everyone is entitled to boundaries, and having those boundaries respected.

Anyway, I hope Kesha is doing well.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, to be honest. It's kinda rude etiquette similar to meeting someone and refusing to shake their hand. Sure, lots of people hate personal contact but that is part of social interactions.

Even though I don't think people should be asking strangers for hugs it doesn't have to be made even more awkward in front of cameras and stuff which will turn a small moment into a humiliating headliner which will paint both of them in an unflattering light. The intention was harmless and there were probably better ways to turn it down in front of all those people.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

If he was the one who wanted the hug from her, would you think she was the jerk for refusing him?

Absolutely! If some male celeb I find generally off-putting came up to a female celeb I adore on the red carpet, on live TV, professed to be a huge fan, and asked for a hug, and that female celeb flatly refused, I would think, "Wow, what an assholeish thing to do."

I will say, though, that if he'd made an effort (ANY effort) to soften the blow, I would feel differently. Like, "Sorry, but I don't really do hugs; handshake?" Or even just, "It makes me uncomfortable hugging people I don't know, but thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoy my work." Any response in that vein is completely reasonable. And let's be real, as a huge celebrity and seasoned veteran of the industry, there isn't a chance in hell that JS just didn't know how to be kinder in his rejection. He was blunt and dismissive because he wanted to be. Asshole.

I will die on this hill.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no. Quit trying to hug strangers.If a small child tries to hug you and you push them off, you're an asshole. But everyone in this situation is an adult who should know better.

Also, don't let your kids hug Jerry Seinfeld. He's sketchy as fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

She shouldn't have bothered someone she doesn't even know for a hug in the first place, but I fully agree that publicly embarrassing someone like that is asshole behavior. It's complicated, though, because how can you tactfully reject giving someone a hug in public? It's awkward all around.

[philstar22]

I don't have an opinion on Seinfeld, never enjoyed his show, but know little about him. But as someone who hates being touched, I'm with him on this. I don't even like being hugged by family members, much less someone I don't really know. I hate hugs, I really hate when people force them, and it isn't rude to say no to a hug. People have body autonomy. I should get to decide who does and doesn't touch me.

[(Anonymous)]

Ew, no. Jerry Seinfeld is human garbage, but he's got all the same rights as normal humans and that includes that whole consent thing. No one is obligated to show physical affection towards someone who asks for it, even if the person asking is really nice and really likes them. Even if you're in public and refusing will be construed as "making a scene."

Kesha's own life would have been easier if more people in her life had shown her that normal human rights apply to her and other celebrities too.

[(Anonymous)]

I think he's an asshole, but lol I've literally been in this position where I don't want to be hugged - and reading all the response here thinking that he should 'just get over it and hug any to be polite' is like reading everything my Mom, aunts and grandmother said to me.

Its surreal to me seeing people say that you should hug anyway even if you stated that you don't want to - I think its fucking rude to push other peoples stated boundaries just because those people are too much of a baby to be told 'no'.

[(Anonymous)]

Sort of dismayed this is even a controversial opinion, tbh. It would've been so easy to refuse kindly, but he didnt even bother to make that tiny effort not to humiliate her. What a jerk.

[(Anonymous)]

I do think it was rude and he handled this badly, though I think Jerry Seinfeld is a dick for other reasons.

Also, he played the worst character on his own sitcom. What a whiny jackass.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't believe it's almost 2022 and we're still shaming people for simply saying no to unwanted touching. Jesus wept.

[starfleetbrat]

She interrupted his interview. He said no to the hug in a polite manner imo, and she pushed it again and again. He said to the interviewer that he didn't know who she was. So to him she was just some rando who came up to him, interrupted his interview, and then tried to force a hug on him. I would have said no too.

[(Anonymous)]

Seinfeld hates being touched, even did episodes on obligatory social contact on his show. It's completely in character for him. As for his being a douchebag, I hear he's very supportive of younger comics, male and female.