[ SECRET POST #6050 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6050 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, yeah. It might be difficult for some to believe that Ezra Miller's behavior might significantly damage the movie's chances at the box office because historically, bad behavior from a white male lead isn't the dealbreaker that fandom or the internet believes it should be. I'm not saying that's right, just that when people get alarmed or upset about the problematic nature of a piece of media, they don't always realize that there are a lot of people who 1) haven't heard and/or 2) don't care, because they're outside of fandom or social media.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. And a lot of people never got onboard with the idea that actors are supposed to run around being good or that we've got a moral obligation to boycott them if we find out that they did something bad. I go to movies about things I want to see, and not to ones that sound boring. Ezra Miller looks sharp, at least some of the time, but I can't think of any actor right now who would convince me that I want to buy a ticket to watch The Flash. He picked a shit superhero franchise to be associated with.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, one of my friends is a comic book guy who has always liked The Flash, and he went to the movie and enjoyed it.

However, he had to go alone, because nobody else wanted to see it. Whether the reason is superhero fatigue or "Ezra Miller sucks and I don't want to give the studio promoting him money" (that would be me), that's the outcome for this box office attempt, anyway.

I think the fact that there's already a show added to the fatigue, to be honest.

[feotakahari]

I feel like if doing awful shit didn’t ruin Chris Brown, there aren’t a lot of popular assholes it can ruin.

[(Anonymous)]

well, one, Ezra Miller has a very different fanbase from Chris Brown

and two, we're talking about a movie that already failed - the argument is about why it failed. it's not the case that Miller is continuing to be successful and popular.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I'm curious. What would you characterize as the fanbase for Ezra Miller? (With no judgement implied, I just wouldn't know.)

[(Anonymous)]

I genuinely don't think it had anything to do with Ezra Miller. I think the film got like no positive OR negative reception, no one was talking about it(outside of twitter bots) even to trash it, so people just didn't go watch it because of that.

Like some people will go and see something that's considered a train wreck out of curiosity, but if no one is saying anything that's much more of a killer. You can spin things off of positive or negative chatter, you can't spin anything off of nothing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the film got no positive reception or publicity. Do you think that might have had something to do with the fact that its star couldn't do anything to promote it because they're a crazy cult person?

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't think the general population know much of anything about the actors in the movies they watch tbh. And they make up the bulk of the movie going audience. There were plenty of trailers before the movie came out, there was marketing, it just didn't wow people so it gained no hype or hate to make people interested.

Online people may have made decisions towards the movie because of Ezra Miller, but online viewers are a much smaller portion of overall audiences that they wouldn't have made enough of an impact. It wouldn't have helped mind you, but I don't think it was the sole cause of the movie doing badly.

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t know IRL who knows anything about Ezra Miller. People just weren’t interested to see this because either they are sick of superhero movies or they hate the DCEU.

[(Anonymous)]

Often, in the lead up to a large blockbuster release, the stars will go to many events and appear in various press outlets to promote the upcoming movie that they are in. This is one thing that helps people hear about the movies and convince them to buy tickets.

[(Anonymous)]

That's very much the orthodoxy, but I have to wonder if it actually works that way. I tune out "making the rounds to drum up interest" interviews, even for movies I'm planning to watch, because they are so low content and uninformative. The actors, if they have talent, are putting it into pretending they aren't bored silly from having to answer the same stupid, shallow question for the zillionth time.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no opinion on this movie but can we please not misgender Ezra Miller in the comments. They're an awful person and this is not me defending them, it's just, still transphobic to misgender people even if they suck.

[(Anonymous)]

What's their gender? I was assuming male but your reply seems to imply otherwise? Perhaps instead of whiney you could have gone for a more informative approach.

[(Anonymous)]

da they are non-binary and use they/them pronouns

[(Anonymous)]

Anon, there is absolutely no reason for the people commenting on this secret to know what Ezra Miller's preferred pronouns are.

[(Anonymous)]

If you know enough about someone to write a paragraph about how they're an awful person, you should know enough about them to know their pronouns. Your information had to come from somewhere, and I doubt those somewheres all talked about Ezra Miller's actions without ever using a pronoun.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm willing to bet my car that some of the other commenters are deliberately misgendering Ezra Miller to express their disdain.

[(Anonymous)]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Or in this case, ignorance. I for one don't know who Ezra Miller is, except that they've done some bad stuff (??? I don't know what) or something and I wouldn't know what pronouns Miller prefers unless someone told me.

[(Anonymous)]

Meh. The last time I checked the wiki it still said "uses they/them but is also okay with he/him" and sure, that may have changed by now but I don't think I have to keep up with the preferred pronouns of a pedophilic violent groomer and abuser especially when the person in question was still okay with male pronouns not so long ago and only seems to really have doubled down on the queer stuff after noticing how it works wonders in shutting people up about the crap they pull.

[(Anonymous)]

??? Of 17 other comments so far, I only see two that misgender them and one is semi-debatable.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Ezra was a factor in the film's terrible gender split (the audience was something like 80%+ male (implying that basically, more women than men cared about boycotting Ezra's bullshit). Ezra also contributed to lower potential profits from advertising tie-ins as no company wanted to touch them with their product.

However, I think that's just one of many factors that contributed to it flopping so badly. Not least of which was the years the movie had in development and the multiple rewrites and reshoots, as well as the last ditch promo effort for it - all of which were such a money black hole that the movie basically had to be a mega hit to even break even. And mega hit it was not.

[(Anonymous)]

More women caring about this also had to do that men generally pay much less attention to celebrity gossip.

[(Anonymous)]

Issue's this film had:

-A long and troubled production (mostly not on EM)

-Next to no advertising/marketing/hype (Heavily on EM, if they can't do publicity without getting dragged for all the crimes they can't really do publicity at all.)

-A dumpster-fire of a star (100% on EM)

-The last (?) entry in a relatively unpopular Cinematic Universe. (mostly not on EM) This film was DOA and yet it zombie'd to theaters.

-A *LOT* of ill will towards WB/HBO/Discovery (Partially on EM, one of the things I know I've hated is that they shelved Batgirl but kept this one going and going and going but realistically more people are mad about MAX removing all those shows/movies.)

-Superhero fatigue (Not on EM)

-It's not actually a great movie (although I've heard it's pretty good) and doesn't live up the hype WB was pumping out (You'll forget all about EM!) so nobody was grabbing their friends for a re-watch. (Partially on EM)

So, like, this movie might have bombed without EM running around beating up women and kidnapping children and breaking into homes and shit but even if they dubbed in Timothee Chalamet I don't think this one was ever going to take off.