[ SECRET POST #6414 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6414 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Characters. Are. Not. Canonically. Cis. Unless. Explicitly. Stated.

Why can yall grasp this with gay and bi and ace but not trans?

[(Anonymous)]

Because the likelihood of a trans person passing so well that it's impossible to tell is next to nil.

[(Anonymous)]

Not at all true. Stealth transitioning has been a thing for a long time and still is today.

[(Anonymous)]

Except in the rare case of a tallish trans man who got on T relatively early, everyone can tell. They're being polite.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure how to break this to you but you've probably seen more trans people around than you think, you just never realized.

Most people don't wonder whether the fat dude with a beard was afab, or the random middle aged lady was amab. Because why would you, unless you're the type of person who wonders about this all the time about everyone?

[(Anonymous)]

It's not about wondering. It's about noticing. It hardly takes a second thought.

Part of the reason there's such a huge push for puberty blockers is because once someone has gone through puberty, the shape of their body matches their natal sex, and it becomes much, much harder to pass post-transition. The best most people can hope for is for someone to be momentarily confused.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah... they are. Because, and I know you hate this, the majority of people are cis. Characters are also canonically straight and allo unless explicitly stated, which is why we tag them as gay when we write them in a gay relationship. They're in the M/M or F/F section AND they get a relationship tag. Just because these are also the tags they would get if they were canonically gay doesn't mean they aren't tagged as such when they're not canonically gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Sexuality is a bit more flexible. Not all characters are written to express romantic or sexual attraction and even then it's an easier leap to make a different interpretation because many people come out later in life after straight relationships. Which is the same for trans people but most trans fic is the character having been trans as their canon gender rather than transitioning into the opposite gender. The former is harder to headcanon the more of a character's childhood you see and whether the canon is set pre-HRT. Like, sure there were women who passed as male soldiers in history but if you have seen this guy's bare chest in canon and he has a completely masculine body and voice, if you want him to be trans as the canon gender then it'll be an AU.

[feotakahari]

Shoutout to that person who was quoted on Fandom Wank as saying it’s silly to expect slash to be in
character, because it’s already out of character to write straight guys as attracted to men.

[(Anonymous)]

But the fact that they fuck women and express attraction to them on-screen isn't proof that they aren't gay. They could just be closeted.

[feotakahari]

I reference these people because they’re funny, not because they’re smart.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok but the vast majority of people are cis so that's therefore the presumption.

On the other hand, gay/ace or bi can be hinted at in the text of the show, if its' not outright spoken. That's why some people will take a hint/grasp that someone may be another sexuality.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh huh and till recently it was commonly believed that the vast majority of people were straight, and that is in fact logic that is still believed and used by homophobes re: slash and why it shouldn’t be written or why canon media shouldn’t have gay characters. You’re doing the same thing but with trans. Granted, the vast majority of trans people haven’t *transitioned* because it’s the transitioning that’s “rare,” not the transness. So like, it’s more realistic for a character who is canonically a man to be potentially trans as in trans woman whose egg hasn’t cracked than a trans man who has already transitioned. Yet still, it’s normal fan practice to write slash in settings where realistically there would be rampant homophobia but the writers just ignore that to focus on the ship, so again why do we care about being oh so realistic for trans headcanons but not gay ones.

[(Anonymous)]

No that's comparing apples and oranges. There's being attracted to more than one or the different sex than depicted, which can actually be very true, just like a lot of bi people still have a preference for one sex over the other and date more in that direction, and then there's having an entirely different gender identity than depicted without even a single hint in that direction. So no, it's not the same.
Especially since the vast majority of trans headcanons are actually for characters who are already at least socially transitioned (like some dude being actually a trans man or a woman being a trans woman), in which case it becomes "entirely different body than depicted in canon" which, again, makes it a very shaky headcanon at best. So no, almost no characters can be argued to be anything other than cis if not implied otherwise in canon.

(Also, if you have no intention or wish to transition you ain't trans, sorry not sorry.)

NA

[(Anonymous)]

Real people =/= fictional people. 99% of real people can be secretly trans but their "egg hasn't cracked yet", because real people are complex.

Fictional characters aren't complex unless they are written to be so. If a character appears cis, acts cis, if the story makes no indication that they are anything but cis - then that character is cis, whether or not its ever explicitly stated.

That doesn't mean that people can't headcanon different things - I have my own trans headcanons. But if I used those in fic, I would tag them. The same way I would tag asexuality or slash.

You're comparison between writing slash and trans headcanons hinges on your pretence that slash isn't tagged, when it very much is.

[(Anonymous)]

Being trans is rare, though -- and for that matter, so is being gay. The percentages are around 1% and 3%, respectively. Being bi is less rare, but it's still a relatively small cohort of the population at 10%.

The vast majority of people are cis and/or straight. It's not bigotry driving that perception; it's reality.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I guess you can headcanon an adult character whose childhood is shown in flashbacks as trans, if you speculate that they started getting gender-affirming care in toddlerhood.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a real truscum point of view, honestly. People can be trans without ever transitioning, so someone whose childhood gender expression matches their current gender expression might still be trans.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of trans fanon does hold that the characters in question have transitioned, though. I'm not interested in policing people's actual identities, but it's hard to argue giving mastectomy scars to a character isn't going against canon if canon leaves no room for them to ever have had breasts.

[(Anonymous)]

And they might be a magical unicorn who hasn't transformed yet, sure. Still a completely made up baseless headcanon.

[(Anonymous)]

They are though. They 100 % are canonically cis if not stated otherwise. Them being trans is a headcanon.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, they are. Because cis is the default, much like heterosexuality, and it's noted if someone doesn't fit that norm. Hard to accept for some folks, apparently, but that's how it is.

[(Anonymous)]

Um. I'm aroace and personally I think it's completely fine and sensible to presume a character is allo if there isnt at least some very substantial ambiguity.

Like I dont think Sherlock Holmes should be presumed allo, because who even knows with that guy. And most people DON'T presume to know his sexuality, in my experience, so that's nice.

But the majority of characters aren't overtly ambiguous enough to not be presumed allo until proven/suggested otherwise, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

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