[ SECRET POST #1329 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1329 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

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[wikiwikiwick.livejournal.com]

I kinda felt like that was JKR just being douchey. "Bad people are BAD and SELFISH and ALWAYS BAD FOREVER k??"

I just thought she doesn't really get people like him.

[duffel-of-doom.livejournal.com]

Well, he's her character so she can write him as she sees fit. Clearly she doesn't think people can't change since Percy figured out what a prat he'd been, and Malfoy had his own turn around of sorts.

[dar-actually.livejournal.com]

Speaking from personal experience, some bad people really are bad and selfish and always bad forever.

[lovedforaday.livejournal.com]

Why do people actually think she wrote some things the way she did to stick it to certain fans?

[(Anonymous)]

She created him, how can anyone say she doesn't get "people like him" if these people were possibly never even a factor to begin with? You act as if there is some mold that all characters must fit in and authors who venture outside simply "don't get it".

[astraybucanneer.livejournal.com]

I thought we were actually going to see a change of heart. But the only reason he was "good" was because he had a boner for Harry's mom.

Still, JKR was trying to prove the power of love and all that. Snape was to Dumbledore what Pettigrew was like to Voldemort; it showed what love, or lack of it, can really change. That's what I get from it, when I'm trying to be nice about it.

[lipstickcrisis.livejournal.com]

I just sort of assumed he really did care about Harry after all--not at first, obviously, but towards the end. I mean, yeah, he was still lusting after his dead mother, but I think he came to reluctantly sort of care about Harry as an individual too.

[secretbutterfly.livejournal.com]

This is what I was thinking as well. When I read the whole secret I was really confused because what they got from it wasn't what I got from it at all.

[(Anonymous)]

AGGGHH, don't get me started on Harry naming his son after Snape. SO. MUCH. HATE. In fact, that stupidity alone is the reason I hate the epilogue. Grrr.

[kimoto.livejournal.com]

Uhm I think the lines you quoted actually show the opposite? :/ confused here.

Well I've read too much snarry to ever consider Snape not caring anyway...

[secretbutterfly.livejournal.com]

I agree on those lines showing the opposite. I mean, doesn't wanting to look out for Lily's son imply he cares...about Lily's son. He cares *because* of Lily, yes, but he does care.

[sashwizzled.livejournal.com]

I think Snape was a selfish bastard to the end - the fact that his boner for Harry's mother was the only thing keeping him on the good side really screams to me that he never really got that what he was doing was really evil, but Voldemort took his toy and now he's going to get back at him.

And Harry naming his son after someone who only did a damn thing for him or anyone else becauses they wanted his mother skeeves me out.

[(Anonymous)]

My opinion is that he in a weird way did care for Harry but he was bitter and selfish still. He loved Lily and I think part of it was kind of "that should have been mine" about Harry. Which makes his character more lifelike, people aren't perfect and don't always change. And I think right before he died he realized a little what a bastard he had been.

[wordfuzion.livejournal.com]

I do think Severus cared about Harry in his own way. I mean, in his final scene, he wanted to look into Harry's eyes to see Lily one last time. Because of his mother, Harry was valued to Severus, but he would obviously never come out and say anything because he's not like that. Not to mention he also hated Harry because he was James's son. It's so..so..so complex.

I don't know...I'm a Snape fan so I can see alot of depth to it. Probably more then JKR intended, lol. But hey, I like the fanon better than the canon anyways, so keep rocking on my fellow Snape-fen! ;D

[janekrahe.livejournal.com]

I always thought it was less about hating Harry and more about having to look at Harry everyday and think, "That should have been my son. That could have been my son, if I hadn't been such a fool."

I never thought he really hated Harry. It seemed to me like he kept Harry at a distance because he wanted to keep his hate for Harry's father alive, and he knew that he couldn't do that if he got close to Harry and realized the boy was everything he loved about Lily. It was easier for him to see Harry as James' son than Lily's son.

[(Anonymous)]

I have a great many problems with how Snape's arc ended, but that is the least among them. People do things for all sorts of reasons, and most of the time, the big, noble heroes are just as selfish (in different ways) as the people who are just in it for themselves or their own reasons. In fact, I prefer Snape's honesty about it. I'm guessing he wasn't too concerned about not having a friend in Harry, anyway. Snape was still a hero, even if he wasn't a "good guy," even if he didn't like Harry. I always thought that was the point - you don't have to be a nice person or Harry's #1 fan to still be a decent human being. Heck, I didn't like Harry either.

I hated the epilogue like I have never hated anything (in a book series) ever before. The names of the kids made me roll on the floor in derisive laughter. But again, naming his kid after Snape? IMO, he did it as a way to honor Snape's actions. Who cares if Snape didn't like him? I would wager Harry didn't even care about that. I'm sure there are a lot of kids named for people who didn't like or even know their parents.

[siriuslynow.livejournal.com]

I've realized that for a lot of Harry Potter, especially for the last two books, I prefer fanon far more than canon.

[tadashi-chan.livejournal.com]

I didn't believe a word of that memory Snape gave Harry.

Well, I do believe that he cared for Lily quite a bit, and that James was indeed a toerag, but that's all. He went to Dumbledore so that he could protect Lily specifically - but never once did he mention her husband and son. Ironic, considering Harry was really the one at risk, not his parents, who were only at risk by association. He pre-emptively hated Harry before even meeting him, and refused to even try. He let his hatred get in the way of Dumbledore's attempts to help him, such as the infamous meltdown during Occlumency lessons. Never once did he even TRY to just go along with anything Dumbledore told him - he had to be an eternal pessimist and try to impede progress. He never had the same kind of trust in Dumbledore that he had had in him.

I don't believe he ever fully "was" Dumbledore's, and that he was a double agent through and through. Actually, I'm more inclined to believe he was a Death Eater pretending to be good. I mean, made an Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa (though he confessed to Dumbledore, who was later murdered), he ran back to the Death Eaters, he fed them information putting Harry at further risk, and was even part of the battalion on the night Harry turned 17.

Look at his last moments in life: he's in this hole with Voldemort, begging him to let him go fetch Harry. And to what end? Even if he double-crossed Voldemort by bringing Harry then saving him, he wouldn't have lived to tell the tale. You just don't do that with Voldemort. Although Voldemort never accused or thought of him as disloyal, Snape still got killed. If he had failed to kill Dumbledore, at least he would have died valiantly (through the Unbreakable Curse), because then Harry still would have had Dumbledore's protection, and, in this way, it would have really proved to Harry (and everyone, really) that Snape "was Dumbledore's".

Seriously, I've never headdesked harder. Then comes along little Albus Severus, named after two very brave men. Um, no. Snape was a coward. He hated being called coward because it is the one perfect word to describe him. He never had the courage to admit his feelings to Lily. He never stopped consider the repercussions of joining the Death Eaters, and that taking shelter in their promises of power that he would command respect. He never stood up to Voldemort and said "don't attack the Potters". He made that Unbreakable Vow to save face in front of Bellatrix and Narcissa. He murdered Dumbledore because of that stupid Vow, when he could have refused it or broken it. His patronus never took a shape that really personified Snape - it was the essence of Lily. His final minutes in life saw him trying to save his own skin at the expense of Harry's - begging him to be allowed to fetch Harry, so that he in turn could scarper, or again bask in the so-called glory of the Death Eaters, still counting him as a coward for sending The Boy Who Lived to his death.

There's just nothing else for it. Severus Snape was a coward.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

I actually really like it because it saves his character from being a total woobie. If he'd secretly adored Harry all the time, but was just pretending to throw people off? Gah. No. It's sad and sort of disappointing in a way, but it fits.

[mrspiccoloswife.livejournal.com]

I have to admit I was really disappointed that Snape was only "good" because he was still obsessed with Lily; it seemed...I don't know, kinda lame, and sad. I really like Snape as a character,but I feel the same as you, anon. And don't even get me started on the epilogue. God,those names...*especially* Albus Severus. I don't disagree with Harry naming a kid after Snape, because he was still heroic in action, resulting in his death and saving Harry, I just think "Albus Severus" sounds ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of the other people have said what I would about Snape turning out to be good for lame reasons, but I just wanted to say that Snape and Lily never shared an unrequited love. It was one sided; no sharing involved.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I like to ignore books 6 and 7 and go about reading severitus/sevitus. A Year Like None Other (http://archive.skyehawke.com/story.php?no=5036) is my favorite.

[mistress-siana.livejournal.com]

I don't like Snape because he's an example of a good human being, I like Snape because he's a good example of a human being. That's a difference.

One of the reasons HP resonates so well with me is that the characters are all so beautifully human. There isn't one of the supposedly good guys who hasn't annoyed the hell out of me at least once. I like that. After all, we love the people we love not because they're flawless, and not even because of their flaws, but in spite of them. And, for me, that's what JKR did. She created a bunch of characters I love enough to accept their flaws.

Snape, for example. I love Snape, but boy, he was a rancid old arse. Were his intentions, ultimately, good or bad? I'd say both. Which doesn't make sense and annoys people, and therefore rarely happens in fiction. I love it.

Same goes for Lupin, Dumbledore, Harry himself etc...

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously, has no-one heard the word "redemption"? Just wondering...