[ SECRET POST #1615 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1615 ⌋


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ].
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Comments

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

"Those which are CONCILIATORY, the pale (moirail) and ashen (auspitice), would be more closely likened to platonic relationships by human standards."

It is PLATONIC. Which, by your logic, seems to mean that lesbian and lesbian-leaning women should not be allowed to be what is basically extremely close friends (and only friends) with men.

When it comes to Matespritship and Kismesissitude, yes Kanaya will in all probability only consider females. But in the platonic areas she is perfectly capable of having males mixed in there.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

BUT IT IS STILL CLASSIFIED AS ROMANCE. FFS.

And frankly, as a queer woman myself, I wouldn't encourage close friendship with males. I and all the queer women (and many of the straight women) I know have only been abused by them.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

And frankly, as a queer woman myself, I wouldn't encourage close friendship with males. I and all the queer women (and many of the straight women) I know have only been abused by them.

I was agreeing with everything you said up until this point. This queer woman with a lot of perfectly nice (straight) guy friends here would like to point out that data is not the plural of anecdote.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

This. Also, one's life experience doesn't have anything to do with characters' relationships.

Re: OP

[xunsafexsafex.livejournal.com]

just gotta say that "data is not the plural of anecdote" is a fucking beautiful phrase, you are a genius

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Haha wow fuck, you are just the biggest bitch aren't you?

Guess what. I'm a lesbian. My best friend is a male. He helps me pick out the best outfits. He's sweet, kind, gentle with children, and he respects me and my lifestyle.

The bad ones are a case of a minority setting a bad rap for the majority. I'm sorry you've had bad experiences, but you need to get over them, and get over yourself.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

In what way have you been abused by them?

Re: OP

[ember-reignited.livejournal.com]

In what way do you think that is an appropriate question?

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Different anon, but i guess that "abuse" is a broad term

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

What the hell is this? Since when is sexism okay as long as it's against males? We've spent years fighting for gender EQUALITY, not gender SUPERIORITY. Keep your moronic propaganda to yourself.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

not OP, but jsyk, "sexism" against males does not exist

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

oh, I just replied to you somewhere else, but having read this, you're obviously just trolling. yawn.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Romance refers to emotional attachment, not to sexual preference or attraction. Yes it is often associated with sexual attraction for humans, but it isn't always. Also, they're aliens they have a different definition of it than we do.

I'm going to ignore that second half because, while unfortunate and awful, frankly has nothing to do with the characters of this comic..

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

so just because you have had bad experience with males, you want to tell a fictional teenage lesbian vampire alien what to do with her fictional relationships.

okay.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, what the hell

Re: OP

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

Not to mention it's a a fictional universe where being a lesbian isn't an issue to anyone or apparently a part of an identity.

What is this secret idek

Re: OP

[cephiedvariable.livejournal.com]

Those which are CONCILIATORY, the pale and ashen, would be more closely likened to platonic relationships by human standards.

A reasonable human translation would be the concept of a soul mate, but in a more platonic sense, and with a more specific social purpose.

The reason Moiralligience is considered a romance is because it has a social purpose that is equally as important as reproduction in troll culture, not because it is meant to be a direct analogue to human romantic attraction. Considering homo and heterosexuality are not concepts that exist in troll culture to differentiate between same and opposite gender pairings, there's no reason to assume that Kanaya's physical attraction to women would also dominate her non-sexual relationships. Kanaya being Vriska's moirail doesn't indicate that she can only experience pale attraction to women; the only reason she was Vriska's moirail was because she was flushed and taking what she could get. We've never seen Kanaya in a true moiralligience, but we have seen her form close friendships with both male and female characters.

Also, I am very sorry that you have been abused and respect and understand the right of any woman to write men off completely, but I'm not really sure real world misogyny can be used to make inferences about troll culture since they appear for all intents and purposes to have gender equality (despite a few glaring dialogue over-sights on Hussie's part :/). Kanaya's experience as a queer troll isn't really comparable, which I suppose is problematic in some respects but that's probably a debate for another time.

What I'm trying to say is: if you don't like seeing her in any kind of close relationship with a male character, that's fine, but your interpretation is subjective.

Unrelated

[ishicat.livejournal.com]

Sorry for butting in, but the art in your icon was drawn by me - do you mind tossing in a mention of my tumblr username (myotishi) if you're going to use it?

Re: OP

[violent-aki.livejournal.com]

This is pretty much what I was going to say, except I can't do words and Cephied can, so.

+1

Basically romance =/= sexual attraction =/= friendship etc. etc. It can, yes, but not always, every time, ever.

And I am sorry about your experiences, OP, but I'm also a queer woman who has several close friends that are male, female, trans, queer, what have you, that I'm not sexually attracted to but that I do consider to be Very Important People In My Life, more important than casual friends/acquaintances/classmates/co-workers/etc. And I think that's what moirallegiance, at its very core, is really all about.

Plus, yeah. They're aliens. And not humans. So there's that too.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oh. *That* explains it.

Just because you're a misandristic* bigot who calls herself "queer" because she's afraid of men doesn't mean AH should cater to you. How can you even read it when the MC is male?

*Misandry may not exist on a societal level comparable to misogyny, but that doesn't give you a pass for hating or avoiding people based on inborn characteristics. A bigot is a bigot.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I was going to make a comment about how reasonable avoidance rooted in abuse and disprivilege != bigotry, but you've already insinuated that OP would Just Be Strate if she didn't fear the cock, so I'm pretty sure talking to a bigot like you would be about as effective as punching a concrete wall.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

And frankly, as a queer woman myself, I wouldn't encourage close friendship with males. I and all the queer women (and many of the straight women) I know have only been abused by them.

Grow up. Hating all men becasue some of them were abusive is not a valid reason. It might not be oppressive, but it's kind of like hating anyone with red hair because in your experience they're more cruel. It's fucking stupid and immature.

Also; I'm a lesbian with almost exlusively straight male friends. Most of the lesbians that I know? They also have deep, meaningful friendships with men. And, yes, I was abused. I'm just not a hatefull, ignorant crybaby like you.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

One of the sweetest girls I've ever known has PTSD as a result of being abused by a man. Now being around men can be triggering for her, and because of that she doesn't have close relationships with any guys. It's not that she WANTS to judge people, it's that she CAN'T do things like be alone with a guy or trust him not to hurt her.

Of course, men are individuals, and there are good men out there, and the guy who abused my friend is only one man and not representative of all of them. And she's told me that in the logical part of her brain, she knows this. The thing is that triggers ARE NOT ALWAYS LOGICAL. And really? She doesn't owe it to anyone to go out and be triggered by trying to do things she can't do, just for the sake of making guys feel like she isn't a man hater.

I don't know what's up with the woman who posted that comment. I agree with a lot of the people here that this woman's experience shouldn't be a factor in whether other people want to write a lesbian being friends with a guy. I also think there's no problem with lesbians and straight guys being friends if it's what both the people involved want. Hell, I'm a lesbian and one of my closest friends is a guy. We blah blah blah about Homestuck together and even joke about being moirails.

But you do not fucking say that an abuse victim is being hateful or ignorant for avoiding what she sees as the root of her abuse. Don't you even.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

look
it's all cool if you hate men, and i'm genuinely sorry that you were badly treated by them
but don't shove your bigotry down everyone's throat kthnx

and where the fuck do you live? do you speak for all the queer women? grow up and accept the that while your feelings against men are perfectly understandable, they're neither right nor a standard. grow the fuck up.

re-reading this

[(Anonymous)]

nevermind this, as you stated that you don't hate men but are wary of them for a reason. sorry.
however, your sweeping generalizations stand. you're projecting your issues on a silly webcomic.