[ SECRET POST #1953 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #1953 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.


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02.
[Blue Mountain State]


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03.
[Bones]


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04.
[Berserk]


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05.
[Sucker Punch]


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06.
[Game of Thrones]


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07.
[One Direction/Big Time Rush]


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08. [bandwidth]


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09.
[Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle/Good Omens]


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10.
[One Piece]


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11.
[crusader kings/game of thrones]


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12.
[Space Guys In Space]


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13.
[Big Bang Theory]


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14.
[Journey]


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15.
[vlogbrothers,charlieissocoollike/Youtube RPF]


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16.
[Wives and Daughters]


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17.
[Captain Blood]


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18.
[Supernatural, Numb3rs]


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19.
[Star Trek]


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20.
[A-Team 2010]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 061 secrets from Secret Submission Post #279.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

04. http://i.imgur.com/201H2.jpg
[Berserk]

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[(Anonymous)]

Massive spoilers; would appreciate tagging for any potential new fans, especially with the films coming to the west soon.

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[(Anonymous)]

Berserk is 22 years old

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[crownedapple.livejournal.com]

A twenty-two-year spoiler buffer is TOTALLY reasonable!

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[(Anonymous)]

Not that it's particularly relevant here, but I was really referring to the fourteen-year spoiler on the anime, or the negative buffer spoiler on the movies, only one of which has yet been released, even in Japan.

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[crownedapple.livejournal.com]

No sympathy for a fourteen-year-old spoiler.

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[(Anonymous)]

No sympathy for someone who thinks people have to watch things the second they come out (protip: I was nine at the time).

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[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

The movies have not yet come out beyond Japan, so who is the person out there who in 2012 is interested enough in Berserk to care about spoilers but hasn't read enough of the manga or seen enough of the first anime to know the spoiler mentioned in the secret? I mean, I get that remakes and adaptations bring new people to the fandom and I'm usually down for the whole "brand new spoiler lockdown for the sake of the newbs" but the first movie has barely been released in Japan and the other stuff is all still out there.

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[(Anonymous)]

TBH, I don't know how many people are going to be watching the films who haven't already read the manga and/or watched the previous anime series.

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[(Anonymous)]

That's a little uncharitable. It's not THAT well-known in the west. Spoiling the end for people isn't going to make it any more popular.

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[fenm.livejournal.com]

But that's not "spoiling the end". We know from the beginning (I'm pretty sure it's in the first episode) that Griffith turned evil, and the Guts has sworn to kill him.

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[(Anonymous)]

There are currently 36 volumes and it's still going.

That scene is from the 'lost chapter' (the author removed it from the book) from the 13th volume.

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[(Anonymous)]

Whatever, you all know I'm talking about the climax of the anime. I think you're being very unfair. It's an extremely interesting show to watch unspoilered, and the first episode is very oblique in what it indicates has happened between Guts, Griffith and Casca.

I wouldn't post the end of Trigun, even though that came out at about the same time and has a manga which continued until much more recently. Even though the ending isn't that conclusive and is sort of inevitable. I wouldn't post it because I wouldn't want to lessen the enjoyment of any newcomer. I don't think the spoiler tags are a lot to ask.

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[(Anonymous)]

OP

I'm sorry, if I post anymore secrets like that I'll put them under a spoiler warning.

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[case]

Going to flat out reject as always, sorry. Spoiler tags will always be optional and only up when the OP requests them. If retro-active spoiler tags go up because somebody requests them, that sets precedent for anybody to ask for anything and everything to be spoiler tagged no matter how ancient or famous it is. (Berserk IS ancient and famous.)

[streetcake.livejournal.com]

He still gave the consent, and not because he was being forced under the threat of death or anything. Even that nasty king in the first story of Berserk(I can't remember his name)chose not to sacrifice his daughter even though he was also manipulated and under the threat of eternal damnation.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but Griffith's life was manipulated from before he was even born. The king's wasn't.

Not to mention Griffith was pretty much broken down mentally and physically and at the point of suicide when he made the deal.

[streetcake.livejournal.com]

I disagree that all his decisions were the result of manipulations, but honestly? If that is the case then that takes all the interest out of Griffith's character for me. He's an interesting character because he's so successful in being both sincere and manipulative. If he's doesn't have to take responsibility for the way he turned out or for any decisions he makes, then nothing he does has any meaning for him as a character. It makes his whole story dull because it's not his story. Regardless of his manipulation, he had agency and he even considered his alternatives before he made the decision to sacrifice his group for power.

Besides, manipulated or not, his actions still made him a monster. Idgaf why he made the decision, I'm not gonna sympathize with anyone who allowed his allies to be murdered in such a grotesque way just to achieve his man-dreams.

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

Based on what IOE said, everybody's life is manipulated that deeply.

I mean, look, Idea is supposed to be God. A cynical outlook, but God nonetheless. Most generally agree in this world that even if choice is an illusion, because it's one we live by, we still have agency in our choices and how we conduct ourselves.

I think we can hold a comic to the same standard. Even if he was always going to make that choice, from the perspective of those around him, it was his choice to make. And with all those that died for it, it's probably something Guts would hold against Griffith more then the big heart with eyes.

Even at the end, the God Hand made it clear Griffith had to make a conscious decision.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Most generally agree in this world that even if choice is an illusion, because it's one we live by, we still have agency in our choices and how we conduct ourselves.

Exactly. That's why I think responsibility has to be all or nothing - either we believe in the idea that people can exercise judgment and control over their own actions, or we believe they are helplessly caught in the stream of causality and have no other choice based on their circumstances. You can believe fate and circumstance influence decisions but still hold people accountable for finally making the choice.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course we can, because even though we know that the events were manipulated but as far as the character's concern he just had a horrible traumatic life -- not an uncommon thing in this series. The circumstances of his life might have been manipulated but he had autonomy with a certain parameter. Grifffith's ordeal was essentially his trial by fire, the decision he was to make at the outcome would have proved his moral fiber. He failed, and turned to evil. If his life had been easy and smooth-sailing there would be no importance to such a decision. It's certainly tragic but there is clearly a right choice here. It's the same story with all the apostles and the only one I would say couldn't entirely be blamed was possibly Rosine.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Either everybody is responsible for their actions because they have the ability to apply judgement and make choices, or nobody is responsible for their actions because their actions are the result of circumstances and/or fate. I get that in this case he was specifically manipulated by a god for a specific purpose, unlike most characters who just seem caught in the web of fate, and perhaps his situation presents a mitigating circumstance, but I don't think he's absolved of all responsibility.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. He may have been influenced to follow a certain path, which isn't fair to him, but he still had some agency over his own actions.

[twyla-hime.livejournal.com]

Considering the author had this chapter held from the published volumes, I think he doesn't want readers to consider it canon. It's way depressing to follow a story where everything is inescapable fate no matter what, with no character choices ever being made to change things. It's why we read stories to begin with. Even ones that play with this predestination theme find a way for characters to break free of those chains.

There was definitely some illusion and manipulation on the part of the Godhand to coax him at that moment. But the way Griffith's character development was set up worked perfectly with his final decision. It was the very moral dilemma for him that we saw repeatedly before the Eclipse, albeit on a smaller scale. He was always a man who did whatever it took to get ahead, sacrificing others and even his own body and mind. So while tragic and cruel, not too surprising, and in line with his previous actions.

I also quite agree with the above poster that his willing choice and acceptance of responsibility makes him more interesting, instead of a helpless puppet.

<3<3<3 Berserk secret!
I can't wait to see the movie.

[lordbatpig.livejournal.com]

I. . . uh, actually, I only just recently watched the anime. Despite having owned it for more than a year (maybe two or three). And I've never read the manga, mostly because I feel strangely awkward about buying it online and my local bookstore back home never carried it. SO. Not sure how much my opinion really counts here, but whatevs. I like to think that Griffith always had a choice, it's just that his choice was affected by the choices of everyone around him. He doesn't live in a bubble. The king's choice, Guts's choice, Casca's choice, the choice of the Evil Demons who first handed him that creepy stone. . .all of those choices affected his choice to later become the king of evil.

In the anime, he is utterly destroyed as the man and leader that he had once been. He sees the alternative to the choice he is about to make (to become SUPREMELY EVIL and have everyone DIE because of him or to live life as a cripple who can't even speak) and it looks worse than Hell. Continuing his life as a mortal man who needs someone to take care off him every day of the rest of his life, to be looked at with pity, to feel like he is holding others back from their dreams and knowing that he can never attain his own? To a man who has already given up so much and justified the deaths of those around him by saying "I'm doing it to attain my dream," this was the ultimate form of torture. This was a fate worse than being left for a hundred years in that dungeon Guts and Casca rescued him from. To him, it might have seemed like there was no choice because of how awful the alternative looked.

But. There was a choice. The demons made us aware of it. He could have chosen not to become a king, but to instead go back to the normal world and live in peace and silence with Casca. He could have denied his dream, but didn't. To him, this alternative was worse than killing everyone. To us, we think, "DUDE. I can't believe you're totally going to turn into a giant evil god and rape the most loyal woman you've ever known, the one who was going to give up her whole life to be there for you, right in front of the most loyal man you've ever known, knowing that the two of them are in crazy-stupid love with one another. And this is after killing all of your closest friends and letting them become demon food. YOU'RE A GIANT ASSHOLE, GRIFFITH."

. . .yeah. That's pretty much my two cents on Berserk.