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[ SECRET POST #2081 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2081 ⌋

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[Paul Ryan / Matthew Morrison]

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[The Incredible Hulk]

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[inuyasha and mobile suit gundam]

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[My Chemical Romance]

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[The Closer/Major Crimes]

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[Perception]

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[The Shoes-Time To Dance (official music video)]

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Since this barely got any responses yesterday, let's try this again. People of f!s, what is your opinion of concrit? Should it be given if the author made no specific mention of either wanting or not wanting it? Would your reaction on getting it change depending on whether you asked for it or not? When is it appropriate to give concrit?

Personally, I couldn't understand for a long time why people wouldn't want concrit. Maybe it's just because I've always taken writing very seriously, but I always thought that concrit was one of the best things you could get. After reading a few secrets and such on it I now get that some people are just here to have fun and don't really care about improving, but I still don't quite get why they would actively get mad about concrit. I mean, once your stuff is on the Internet, unless you specifically said "no concrit" (which I really don't get why you would), it's fair game.

I don't think the average for-fun artist or writer gets *mad* at random crit. Lots of people *ignore* random crit but it's not like we go attack the crit-giver or something.

Unless the crit-giver makes a big stink about how they weren't listened to, which is a whole other entitlement ballgame.

Why do people get mad about anything anyone says on the internet? Because words can hurt no matter how they're presented if you take what's being said or written personally.

Concrit is telling someone they didn't do something right. No matter how you phrase it, you are essentially saying "You did this wrong." Some people don't learn to take being considered "wrong" in stride.

I never give concrit on fics, mostly to avoid hard feelings. I would give concrit if asked by a friend. I'm always up for concrit of all sorts because I like seeing other people's POVs on how I can improve, etc.

There is an automatic sense of self-defense that pops up when people give me critiques, especially if I didn't ask for any, but I've learned to swallow my pride and look at it objectively. I think a lot of people never get to that point and just stay defensive and mad regardless of how good or bad the critique is.

If someone is only writing for fun then I think it's more understandable if they don't want critique, unless they're stuff is so flawed that it makes it difficult to read. And if someone reacts badly to the suggestion of receiving some critique then they should just be left alone.

I'm anon, so fuck it: I'm honestly kind of terrified of concrit. I understand why it's valuable, I really do, and I'd be more likely to get mad at myself (for writing something dumb that a reader had criticized) than at a reader for criticizing it, but I'd really rather not deal with it. But one thing I would absolutely NEVER do is specify "No concrit please". Like, that's just inviting concrit (from particularly douchey people) at worst, and side-eyes from other people (like myself, to be quite hypocritically honest) at best.

I already have a beta who is an English teacher, so I'm not going to go searching for concrit somewhere else. That being said, the concrit will most likely go ignored by me. I'd rather leave the editing to my beta than some stranger on the internet. *shrugs*

I appreciate it, even when it isn't easy to take. I only write as a hobby, but I like to improve at my hobbies, because why the hell not?

I've only received genuine concrit a few times. I appreciated it, but I was also fortunate enough to receive concrit from people who were good at giving it. I've seen other fics get 'constructive criticism' that makes me roll my eyes because it's just...really poorly done and often delivered in the most wank-tastic way possible. There is a difference between being unsparing in your criticism, and outright insulting a person or their writing, and most unsolicited "concrit" is unfortunately the latter.

Not all concrit is worthwhile. Criticism is a skill that requires a lot of time and effort to develop. If people can complain about badfic than people can complain about badcrit.

To be honest, I always kind of panic for an hour or two after I first get concrit! I used to be way worse about it, but even now I always spend a while going, "Oh, I bet they were just sugarcoating it to be nice and they really hated everything about it, I bet everyone else felt this way about the fic too!"

But after that fisrt little while I can sit down and look at the concrit and go, "Okay, they're right here; I could probably change that to be more clear; I disagree with their idea that X doing Y was OOC; oh, wow, that's a really obvious typo, I can't believe I missed that."

I really enjoy getting concrit, and most of my favorite reviews I've ever gotten involved concrit, I just... need some time to process it first, is all.

I never give concrit unless a writer specifically asks for it and has cultivated an atmosphere of acceptance of that concrit or in a space specifically devoted to concrit. I'm in fandom for the fun times, and I don't get my jollies from line editing fic. That's what I do for a living. LOL

I never get angry if someone leaves me concrit. I may not agree with their opinion or adopt any suggestions they make, but I have no problems with that.

I have never been flamed, but I don't think I'd like it very much and would probably just delete the comment rather than responding to it.

How i feel about it. If you read my fic and it confused you, then you need to either comment or pm me and say so, so that i can either a) point out the bit you seem to have missed or b) chat about it and realize oops, i didn't share the info my character has, yes, it's confusing!! I want my work to be enjoyable and to make sense. I want the story to *work*.

If you read my fic and notice i screwed up the spelling or grammar somewhere, or dropped a word out or something, tell me in comments so i can fix it. (Or, so we can discuss how that's a colloquialism and is totally okay there.)

If you read my fic and think i totally dropped the ball, screwed up, wrote every character OOC and my sex was awful and whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy didn't i make it x/y instead of x/z?!!!!! Then PM me, because i think you're projecting.

If you read my fic and hated the plot/'ship/fact that it was m/m/that it had warned-for icky stuff...then stfu, you shouldn't be reading my fic.

Tl;dr - i have no issues with concrit so long as it's polite and so long as it's critiquing my actual words, not the fact that i choose to write m/m or AU or whatever.

(Or, so we can discuss how that's a colloquialism and is totally okay there.)

This reminds me of the time someone left me a comment "correcting" my grammar because I used "lay" for "lie" in tight third-person narration. And then they deleted their comment, so that I couldn't point out that it was a character voice thing and not an error. I felt so thwarted.

HA! I would have felt thwarted, too.

Sure, a fic's fair game for concrit. And concrit is fair game for rejection and being picked apart in turn. People can give poorly-worded and/or flat-out subjective criticism that they only believe is polite and objective. Not all concrit is created equal, and I don't think posting things online are automatic invitations for advice. There's a thin line between help and condescension, and the latter isn't invited to anybody's tea party.

I fucking love concrit, but that's because writing is a personal passion that I want to improve, not just something I do for shits and giggles. This does not apply to everyone. And when concrit is more about you saying what you want than helping out someone who wants it, it's no longer concrit. It's just...wanking.

I think concrit has a negative connotation just because there are so many flames out there using the term as a disguise.

I consider concrit to be any comment that goes into detail on why the person felt that way, or how a situation came off to them. Justified praise escapes too many evaluations, and that can leave someone feeling like they did everything wrong (which is rarely the case; I'd suggest not saying anything if you can't find one spark of life in a work).

Just like it takes practice to leave good concrit, it takes practice to receive it well. I wouldn't judge anyone banning it, because they may have had a bad experience, or are just too fragile at the moment. I think the wish should be respected, but I know it reads trollbait too. If someone just wants to post work for ego-stroking, that's cool. We all need to be vain sometimes.

If it's not specified, I say leave it if the mood strikes. Some people don't outright ask for concrit, but appreciate it just the same.

Personally, I do like to receive it. But I also treat it as just another opinion, and remember that it's subjective (I've received opposing critiques before, and that was super fun!). It hasn't occurred where I request no concrit, and someone leaves it anyway. I imagine not caring in that scenario. If someone leaving concrit on a work would upset me, I likely wouldn't post it in the first place. Zero feedback at all unnerves me more.

I don't have much to say but I know that on DeviantArt (at least, a while ago), you had to have a paid account to specifically ask for concrit, and if you didn't and someone gave it anyway, that person could be reported. I thought it was so much bullshit, how people got so butthurt over concrit.

I'm like you - I'm pretty serious about writing and prefer to get concrit... though I get why some people wouldn't want it, since I also have some hobbies that I do just for fun and get pissed when people nag at me to do it better. I think people should probably mention whether they do or don't want it to avoid misunderstandings between people who like you and me, and people who feel like criticisms ruin their fun.

The only time I judge authors who don't want concrit is when they outright ASK FOR REVIEWS, and then get pissy about criticism. It's one of my biggest pet peeves when people ask others' opinions and then get mad when those people answer honestly.

I'm speaking as an artist who studies art. I don't want a crit on the internet. Because most of the time? It's not constructive. They might think it is, but it isn't helping me. If I want a critique? I have people in real life I can go to. I don't want to hear it from a random stranger on the internet. They're not entittled for me to listen to them or take them into consideration. Because yes, most of the time they don't know what they are talking about and are just listing their own prefferences.

So yeah, I don't want internet "concrit" and I'm not going to listen to it. And if I say "no crit" on some fanart I did because I want to have fun too and someone ignored it and criticized anyway? Then yeah, I'm going to ban that person.

It's fine with me if you judge me for it but, frankly, I judge you for forcing your own opinions on people who don't want it. And a lot of times those people who don't want critique are people who have some sort of issues. They might have anxiety, panic attacks or are just depressed and people who leave what they think is concrit on their pieces are not helping.

Yeah, so tl!dr: Your opinions =/= concrit. Stop wasting time annoying people who won't listen to you anyway. Your opinions won't help most of the time. Stop getting people down. Let them have fun. You're not helping.

A different perspective.

Imagine you are bouncing on a trampoline. You haven't had much training, you're not trying to be an Olympic-level gymnast, you're just having fun. Fun for you doesn't necessarily mean getting examined on your progress: you're just enjoying the bouncy fun and throwing some shapes.

You might even shout to your friends, "Hey! Look at this!" before you attempt some silly shape or a seat drop, or just to see how high you can go. Maybe your friends even take a photo or short video and post it online, so more of your friends and family can see the silly fun you had.

At no point are you interested in someone criticising your form, or suggesting how you should be pointing your feet properly. You might be interested in "You could jump even higher if you..." or "That looks pretty cool" or "Fun!" or whatever. If someone gave you a whole speech on how to improve your bouncing, to comply with basic gynastic practice, you and your friends would probably be baffled. If it was a speech about how generally bad your bouncing was, you'd probably be annoyed.

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