[ SECRET POST #2177 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2177 ⌋

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Comments

[mekkio]

I've always wondered about that whole "fake geek girl" thing.

Why fake being a geek? What are the benefits?

[fingalsanteater]

Attention.

[mekkio]

From whom?

If you wanted mass attention, you don't go do something that is so niche. You become a cheerleader or run for public office (or at least class president.) You don't do something that is still somewhat underground. (Certain geeks are still ostracized. Saying that you like the Marvel movies is one thing. Dressing up and running around in cosplay, especially in non-geek public will not exactly help you win pageant across the board.)

[ill_omened]

I guess the thinking is big fish small pond.

Like it's a lot easier for a fairly decent looking girl to get a lot of attention in a circle full of maladjusted nerds, then it would be for her to join a cheerleading squad and stand out there?

[(Anonymous)]

Look, I'm a reasonably attractive person and a geek, and I 100% guarantee you that it's a lot easier to put on a black dress and a pair of heels and go into any fucking bar and get attention than it is to put together a good cosplay. And the attention you get in bars is a lot less creepy, entitled and judgemental.

[(Anonymous)]

OMG this. There's so much more incentive for attractive women to pretend they're not geeks, then to pretend they are.

[(Anonymous)]

Where's the like button? I have to click it a billion times.

[thene]

You get to trick geek guys into momentarily thinking that you might care that they exist!!!

[brightblueink]

The conspiracy is that beautiful women pretend to be geeks so that they can bag a guy.

There's two problems with this, though:

1) If a beautiful woman was really going to go through the trouble of pretending to be something just to get a guy, why geekdom?

2) What in the world is so special about geek guys that makes them think women are falling all over themselves to get their attention? If they're that attractive, why couldn't they bag more traditionally attractive guys?

The only time this has seemed like a legit thing is in the entertainment industry--geek media became popular, so there was more demand for shows catering to that audience, and actresses and models discovered they could grab some of those jobs by doing their best to appeal to that demographic. So you might have the occasional person like Olivia Munn who got into a geeky show and talked about a lot of geeky stuff just to further her career. But even then, there's plenty of people working in those industries that ARE genuinely geeky, and it's a pretty unfair assumption that only girls do this coughcoughHarley'sJokermightalsogbedoingthiscoughcough, or worse, that EVERY girl is doing this unless she passes some sort of "test."

[thene]

The subtext I get from such complaints isn't 'so they can bag a guy' nearly so much as 'so they can invade my precious territory and then fail to offer the correct amount of deference/attention to me, a guy'.

[diet_poison]

+10000000000

[(Anonymous)]

There were posts
in this thread
but I never
heard them singing
till there was you

[(Anonymous)]

This. It's just a variant on the tired old "women who won't sleep with me are bitches/sluts/teases" song. Guess what? If this is your attitude toward women who turn you down? Your general attitude toward women isn't likely to be much better, which is why women turn you down.

[mekkio]

I can completely see actresses doing this because, frankly, they want to get and keep a job and if that means faking geekdom, so be it. Because to some, a paycheck is paycheck. Especially since the con circuit pays out well. But the rest of the world?

You say it's ego on behalf of male geeks. Could it also be insecurity? Because they can't wrap their heads around how someone pretty could also like geeky things because deep down they self hate because they believe what they do makes them an outsider in society? So why would someone who is conventionally pretty, therefore, in their eyes, fit better with the mainstream, do something that would make them an outsider too? So, therefore, these pretty girls MUST be faking.

[brightblueink]

Yeah, I think that's also pretty likely.

[lilacsigil]

Yeah, the original "fake geek girl" thing raged at booth babes as well as cosplayers. Booth babes are there as a job: their job requires acting interested in customers and liking whatever they're selling. That's no more "fake" than someone in retail being polite to a customer.

But really it's about putting women down because of those male geeks' own insecurities. If you're not "hot", you're an ugly bitch who shouldn't be there. If you are "hot" you're a fake geek girl who shouldn't be there.

[truxillogical]

In terms of ego, it's not just the male geeks (as the secret shows).

I think a lot of geeks, myself included, grow up in that social dead zone. Maybe you look awkward, probably act awkward, are seen as weird for the attitudes, if not the hobbies, that make you a geek.

And you get this idea, even subconsciously, that to be a Geek, one must Suffer. A football player can't be a Geek--they're a Jock. A pretty girl can't be a geek--she's a Prep. Or maybe just a Pretty Girl. Or--gasp!--Popular. In fact, if she's pretty, she's probably Popular, and we have this kneejerk reaction left over from our school days that says Popular People are the Enemy.

It's pathetic and more or less entirely informed by lousy movies from the 80's and 90's. But it's still there for a lot of people, and usually requires becoming consciously aware of how ridiculous it is to stop thinking that way.

[(Anonymous)]

I will never understand why nerdy, socially awkward, average-to-unattractive geek guys think hot nerd women even care enough about them to WANT their attention.

Because obviously, women who spend hundreds of hours on fanwork and hundreds of dollars on cosplay material, merchandise and convention tickets, only do it because they want to please men. Never because they are people with interests and actually LIKE things, oh no, girls don't have personalities or likes and dislikes, that's just silly!

[(Anonymous)]

I thought Olivia Munn was geniunely geeky? I got the impression that she was.

I just remember her from Attack of the Show, which is a pretty vile show. Idk why would anyone want to associate with that show.

[(Anonymous)]

re 1) i don't get this view by the geek guys. it sounds like so much effort. I'm average looking and if I wanted to get a guy I'd put on heels, the lipstick and go out to bars. I will find guys whether I want them or not.

Being a 'fake geek girl' is a ridiculous amount of effort, i'm more inclined that anone who throws that much effort into being a geek...is probably more interested in being a geek than in the guys

[(Anonymous)]

Having people say shitty misogynistic things to you and mouth-breathers judging your every move, of course!

Seriously, though, from the way people talk you'd think there were armies of fake geek girls just waiting to overcome the poor, defenseless geek boys. I think that occasionally you get people who feign interest in things because they want to impress someone (and those people are both male and female), but it's a lot less common than people make it out to be. And honestly, you can only feign interest for so long before it turns into either genuine interest or you get tired and move on to other things.

It's kind of a self-perpetuating cycle, though, since so many "true geeks" have gone through the bs with people testing whether or not they're a real fan of something when they start out in fandom, so some people internalize that and think that they need to repeat the same shitty behavior with other fans. Tiresome all around.

[diet_poison]

This, yep. And part of the problem *is* the overall idea that we have to give newcomers to fandom/geekdom some kind of litmus test. Why do people care so much if someone turns out to be fake? Like, that's a serious question, I just don't get it.

One thing, though...what is it with people using the phrase "mouth-breathers"? Isn't that kind of rude? And also a stereotype?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure what the benefits could be.

...But I'm reluctant to mention I'm a geek and I haven't gone to a con yet. Kind of hesitant considering that I'm not a "serious" fan and all the fake geek drama (and I wouldn't even be cosplaying. Maybe wearing a shirt), I'm not even sure what the benefits would be? I just want to enjoy a social environment about things I like

[diet_poison]

Cons can be expensive, but they're also a ton of fun, ime. I just go with friends and meet-ups of fandoms I like (though that's 100% optional of course) and everyone's just happy to be with like-minded people. If you meet someone who's all about drama or being an ass you can avoid them and make other friends.

I've seen tons of girls at cons wearing everything from casual clothes, to fandom-themed clothes (like a fandom shirt), to shitty/simple/scruffy/whathaveyou cosplay, to amazingly detailed and mind-blowingly accurate cosplay. I've had people take my picture just because they liked my cosplay of Vriska. This attitude that people talk about, about saying that geek girls are "fake" "attention whores" etc. definitely exists but it is not universal to the geek community, in my experience. :)

(Of course...a girl dressed as a troll is hardly going to get remarks like that from a hardcore gamer neckbeard. If anything I think they'd just avoid me...and the hundreds of other people dressed like that lmao)

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently, sex with ugly, fat, geek boys.