[ SECRET POST #2177 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2177 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 058 secrets from Secret Submission Post #311.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

13. http://i49.tinypic.com/xlcz6c.png

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they do.

The problem comes when you assume you're the one who gets to decide that, though. You're not the geek police, so go away.

[(Anonymous)]

Why are there so many fat geeks of either gender? Is it because they're all American? I'd expect the majority to be homely, but I'm always suprised by the amount of fatasses.

What fuckery is this?

[fingalsanteater]

If the wank on this secret isn't the most glorious disaster of misogyny and fat-shaming, then I'll be sorely disappointed.

Bravo, OP.

[gobbledigook]

Unfortunately the people who hate fake geek girls would crucify you as well, OP. :|
I wouldn't be surprised if those guys are harsher on fat girls than they are with fake geek girls that are still "hot".

[supermanda]

You mean posers? Of course they exist.

It doesn't have to do with body type though. That's pretty narrow-minded.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Yeah, but if you put in the time to make a costume that good, you are a legit fan.

Maybe your fandom is cosplay itself and you don't care that much for whatever character you did, but you are unmistakably in a fandom.

The only time people should get shit is when they actually claim knowledge/experience with a fandom they don't have.

Still, I can understand the ire. I suspect most of the time you are less shallow then "cause she's not fat." despite your secrets tone. But do avoid that trap. It leaves you bitter.

[mekkio]

I've always wondered about that whole "fake geek girl" thing.

Why fake being a geek? What are the benefits?

[kallanda_lee]

They probably do.

But I think their numbers are vastly over-estimated.

Also, it doesn't really hurt anyone if you treat a "fake" geek as if she really is one, but to be constantly undermined and told that your interest in something isn't genuine...well, that does actually suck.

Also, looks are not a good criterion.

Like you, I'm a fat geek girl,ut I have this friend who is gorgeous - like, 2nd runner-up in a beauty contest type of gorgeous - and she's a total book worm, and completely obsessed by Torchwood and Doctor Who.

Judging a book by its cover is always dangerous.

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe it's because of internalized misogyny.

No, wait, that's definitely what it is.

I'm just going to leave these here.

[(Anonymous)]

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65216066.html

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/70715163.html

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/11/13/hey-quasi-pretty-not-hot-girl-you-are-more-pathetic-than-the-real-nerds-tony-harris/


The problem with the "fake geek girl" argument is that it leads to misogyny quickly and how these "fake geek girls" are preying on the poor, unsuspecting nerdy guys for attention. Which is the prime argument Nice Guys have.

[rbhudson]

People do get paid to stand around cons in costume. However, the only person I've met who did that was also a gamer, so she's anything but fake.

[(Anonymous)]

If someone spends the time, effort, and money into dressing up and going to a convention ... they're a geek. Everyone has different reasons for cosplaying, though. Just for fun, to impress friends and fellow cosplayers, to win contests, or even to gain a reputation and build up a profile for future jobs. (I have friends who do makeup effects and go to conventions to get their names out there. They're geeky, yes, but primarily they're there for business opportunities.)

Also, it's pretty easy to figure out if someone's genuinely into the movies/comics/books/video games they're portraying. Just have a (gasp) five-ten minute conversation with them. Done. Why is this such a big issue again?

[(Anonymous)]

the whole argument relies on identifying what people's intentions and inner attitude is (which is really fucking difficult) and drawing really hard and fast, bright lines about what allows one to identify as a geek (also really fucking difficult). and, furthermore, the whole argument about it is very often rooted in either misogyny or resentment - I mean, seriously, how often is the argument NOT rooted in that? especially the well-developed form of the argument (& the reason the argument includes girls and not boys) which is that 'fake geek girls' are only out there to draw attention by being sexy and attracting gamers, or somehow to get their claws into lonely geek boys.

so, hey, maybe there are fake geek girls (and boys) out there. but it's almost impossible to tell who is a "fake" and who's not, and caring a whole lot about it and getting stirred up with animus on account of it is, it seems to me, almost always the result of some heavy negative emotional shit on the part of the person getting angry, which doesn't really justify the action.

so tl;dr let people do what they're going to do. it's impossible to tell whether they're "fake" or "real" and I don't see any real reason to care either way. Are they a good person? Treats people decently, says interesting things? then I don't give a shit whether they're "fake" or not.

[femme_androgyne]

And you can tell just by looking at them. Or at least I assume that's what you're on about with your fit girl/fat girl cosplay comparison. You might not be appointed fandom chief of police anytime soon, but I'll be sure to nominate you for hurtful body-policing asshole of the year. Not that it should matter since I'm apparently only allowed to be a "fake" geek.

/says the 5'8", 130 lb., conventionally attractive girl who grew up with Star Trek, comic books, and other geek media courtesy of her equally geeky mother (who read the LOTR books out-loud to her kids when they were barely old enough to read independently, ffs) and older brothers

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure what your being fat has to do with believing in the existence of fake geek girls, unless you're implying that the only "true" geek girls are fat?

Would you consider me a fake geek girl simply because I'm not fat, or is there more to it than that? Is it only pretty girls you consider fakers? Does my not being conventionally attractive cancel out my lack of fatness? Are there other factors? Is how I dress important?

Seriously, what is the exact formula for a fake geek girl?

[weekendoffender]

I hate the ridiculous shit over "fake geek girls", even more when the harassment comes from my fellow fat geek girls.

Us fat geek girls get enough shit put upon us! Do we really need to do the same to others?

[(Anonymous)]

oh, please go fuck yourself

[forgottenjester]

It's times like these I wish I drank alcohol.

[maverickz3r0]

I really mean this in the nicest sense, to everyone who thinks 'fake geek girls' are a thing and a problem: CUT IT OUT.

You are quite possibly scaring away people who may want to get into fandoms and cosplay. More people in the communities = more fannish stuff. Okay?

[(Anonymous)]

Jealousy is an ugly, ugly emotion. And no matter what you look like outside, it makes you ugly inside.

This whole argument is opening my eyes to a whole lot of ugly people.

[velvet_mace]

You mean you think that some cosplayers are only doing it for the attention and not the nerdy thrill of being a character? Probably. But there are plenty of geeky thin cosplayers so I wouldn't go around accusing someone of being non-nerdy simply because they look hot in their costume. You of all people should understand how much people deserve to be known before judged.

[ex_paola492]

First thought:


Second thought:
Fake Geek Girls exist. Why they do it? Attention? Fashion? Because they think it's the new cool? But it's not because x/y/z people are fat. Also I've met/seen geek girls that are really hot. Like... holy cow how do they manage a body like that?

Breaking News

[(Anonymous)]

There are attractive and unattractive geeks of both genders.

Every subculture has it's poseurs. It's not special to geeks, alternative subcultures (goths, punks) have always had a weird preoccupation with weeding out the 'fakers' from the 'true goths/punks/geeks'.

Look at the other two subcultures, goths and punks; originally the were unseemly, their style unattractive. Then, punks and goths became 'in', that style became seen as fashionable. The original goths and punks were upset that their alternative subculture had gone mainstream and shunned those they felt were 'poseurs'.
Now the exact same thing happened with geek chic; hipsters especially (the uncool is cool) has causes geek fashion and culture to be in right now. Exact same thing that happened before.

It's happened with almost every subculture and it will continue to happen with alternative groups like geeks and goths. The end.

[(Anonymous)]

The only people who are worried about fake geeks are unattractive geeks (of either gender) who feel inferior in the presence of those who are physically attractive. They hate us because our presence makes them feel bad and instead of dealing with their self-esteem issues with any sort of maturity they'd rather cry and name-call like a bunch of pathetic little babies.

At this point I'm just like, whatever. Not my problem. I'll be in my room reading comics and looking hot.