[ SECRET POST #2216 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2216 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

She DID make him gay in the series, she just didn't have Dumbledore's magical coming out party in the Great Hall after the Sorting. Just because she didn't have him waving a rainbow flag all the time doesn't mean that he wasn't gay. Let's be real. She wanted to sell the books. Parents weren't going to let their kids read books about a gay school headmaster. They were already lining up to burn the books because of witchcraft. The woman wasn't stupid, so she revealed that point after the fact, when people had already read and loved the character. I think it was a fucking brilliant move.

[(Anonymous)]

So on your account, we should admire her more because her moral courage ends at her pocketbook? And even if it's the case that she was motivated by money, why couldn't she have mentioned it, even in passing, in the books written after the series was mega-popular?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing that she did. It's perfectly understandable, and perfectly fine. But it doesn't make her a LBGTQ hero or a moral saint. She seems like a solid person but saying that Dumbledore was gay after the series finished really just wasn't much of anything. It's just a very inconsequential thing.

[(Anonymous)]

But it doesn't make her a LBGTQ hero or a moral saint.

This. Mentioning after the fact that a character is gay isn't a bad move. She gets points for that. But she also confirmed a total of one character as gay out of a large cast, and it was an older, fatherly figure who died. (Is it just me, or does the UK have a problem with Bury Your Gays? :/ ) Nobody is saying she's a horrible person for confirming that, but...yeah, she's also not any paragon of LGBTQ+ rights. I would've respected her more if she'd shown a couple of the students in a same-sex relationship, just in passing (eg, "so-and-so and her girlfriend/his boyfriend").

[fenm]

I also would have respected her if she hadn't put that bit about Sirius' room being full of pictures of scantily women. It didn't add anything to either the story or his character except to go, "See, see, he totally likes women! He's not gay!!" (I wonder if the idea that he could be bi-/pansexual ever occurred to her) So, yeah, pulling that shit, then confirming that one whole character was gay only after she's made her money the last book has been out several months... d-:

[(Anonymous)]

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I never really saw it as screaming that he;s heterosexual, it just seemed like a very teenager thing to do (a muggle thing at that, and the motorcycles and muggle ladies on his wall had the added bonus of ticking off his parents)

how does having a few bikini clad women on his wall mean he can't be bisexual? and he ran away from home at the young age of 16, it's not like he couldn't have explored his bisexuality after that. or maybe he took all of his pictures of naked guys with him and left the women behind, who the hell knows

[fenm]

Surely scantily clad Muggle GUYS would have pissed them off even more? Besides, was this even meant as something for his folks to see,and not just stuff for himself?

how does having a few bikini clad women on his wall mean he can't be bisexual?

Oops, maybe I phrased that badly. What I was saying (and I still feel this way) was that one of the reasons for the pictures was JKR's way of asserting that Sirius was straight. But, as you say, just having pictures of women on the wall doesn't mean he's, straight since it's possible to be attracted to more than one gender. What I was meaning to say was that I'm not sure the idea of bisexuality occurred to JKR when she wrote that bit.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, you're looking for ways to dislike her on this one. She didn't do that to anyone, only the Woflstar shippers took that as an attack, but it's ridiculous. She was like "erm, nope, not in love with Lupin sorry" and then a few books later she had Harry see Sirius's room. The posters were mentioned because they were MUGGLE women, non-moving, irreparably stuck to the walls of his muggle-hating household. It wasn't some sly message to slash shippers.

[fuchsiascreams]

I tend to agree with this. I don't think she was making some under the table comment about homosexuality or bisexuality when she had a heterosexual male character put up pictures of scantily clad women on his bedroom wall. It had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with her trying to have Harry understanding Sirius' character at that age.

[(Anonymous)]

You're just mad because it made you Remus/Sirus OTP non-canon

[(Anonymous)]

*your

[(Anonymous)]

Do you honestly think that if she revealed that Dumbledore was gay in the one of the last two books sales would be affected at all?

The parents who would be up in arms over that are the same people were already up in arms about the use of witchcraft.

[morieris]

Not the confessor, but...if my memory serves, the whole insert with Grindelwald kind of hinted at it, but not so much as a hint as the vaguest of subtext.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

You seriously think in order to mention a character's gay they have to be running around waving rainbow flag's in the story?

All she needed to do was have a character who knew Dumbledore make a quick little comment about him once liking a guy.

[(Anonymous)]

how would they even know though? dumbledore was regarded as a mysterious and private figure. even if some people he was close to knew he was gay, what cause would they have had to bring it up around Harry?

[(Anonymous)]

You are aware that a huge chunk of the last book was about Dumbledore's past, right? Including stuff he kept secret from Harry?

[fenm]

Yeah, exactly. All the other private stuff he told to Harry in the "King's Cross" chapter, but for some reason mentioning that he was in love with Grindlewald would have been too private?

[shinyhappypanic]

but as the anon said, how would anyone even know? dumbledore fell in love with grindelwald at a period in which he spent all his time with the guy discussing ethics and theories and magic locked in a room somewhere. it wasn't long before grindelwald peaced out, so who is to say that anyone else ever knew that dumbledore was in love with him? I always assumed he took his secret to the grave.

[(Anonymous)]

Simple enough. "Hm, yes, he was good friends with that Grindlewald fellow, and also liked to bum him, as I recall. Well, to each their own."

[fromherbones]

Gold star for this comment.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Harry overhears things. He's a bit of an eavesdropper when it comes to that invisibility cloak.

[(Anonymous)]

But Dumbledore's One True Love ended when he was really young, and it was one-sided as far as we know, and it's implied that even Grindelwald didn't even catch on. He was also pretty heartbroken about everything that happened, evidently. So he wasn't going to talk about it, and the other characters weren't even born when he had this unrequited-love for Grindelwald, si Harry couldn't have just overheard, since I doubt anyone but he really knew much about it. And it was fairly heavily hinted at in the chapter Dumbledore chatted with Harry in heaven.

In any case, she told the producers/writers for the 6th film, because they had Dumbledore mention a woman in his life, and she wrote them to tell them he was gay.

[(Anonymous)]

She could have at least hinted at it like George RR Martin did with Renly and Loras in A Song of Ice and Fire.

[fauxkaren]

lol. The dudebro part of ASOIAF fandom was in SUCH heavy denial of that relationship for so long. The show kinda made them have to accept it as fact.

I think the huge anvil marked "Grindelore" missed you.

[(Anonymous)]

And I am terribly sorry. I rather enjoyed being struck over the head with it, personally.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean people might have shunned her, how oppressive.