[ SECRET POST #2216 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2216 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Or she could have made him gay in the series.

I mean, she gets some credit for saying he was gay after the fact, just not that much.

[(Anonymous)]

She DID make him gay in the series, she just didn't have Dumbledore's magical coming out party in the Great Hall after the Sorting. Just because she didn't have him waving a rainbow flag all the time doesn't mean that he wasn't gay. Let's be real. She wanted to sell the books. Parents weren't going to let their kids read books about a gay school headmaster. They were already lining up to burn the books because of witchcraft. The woman wasn't stupid, so she revealed that point after the fact, when people had already read and loved the character. I think it was a fucking brilliant move.

[(Anonymous)]

So on your account, we should admire her more because her moral courage ends at her pocketbook? And even if it's the case that she was motivated by money, why couldn't she have mentioned it, even in passing, in the books written after the series was mega-popular?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing that she did. It's perfectly understandable, and perfectly fine. But it doesn't make her a LBGTQ hero or a moral saint. She seems like a solid person but saying that Dumbledore was gay after the series finished really just wasn't much of anything. It's just a very inconsequential thing.

[(Anonymous)]

But it doesn't make her a LBGTQ hero or a moral saint.

This. Mentioning after the fact that a character is gay isn't a bad move. She gets points for that. But she also confirmed a total of one character as gay out of a large cast, and it was an older, fatherly figure who died. (Is it just me, or does the UK have a problem with Bury Your Gays? :/ ) Nobody is saying she's a horrible person for confirming that, but...yeah, she's also not any paragon of LGBTQ+ rights. I would've respected her more if she'd shown a couple of the students in a same-sex relationship, just in passing (eg, "so-and-so and her girlfriend/his boyfriend").

[fenm]

I also would have respected her if she hadn't put that bit about Sirius' room being full of pictures of scantily women. It didn't add anything to either the story or his character except to go, "See, see, he totally likes women! He's not gay!!" (I wonder if the idea that he could be bi-/pansexual ever occurred to her) So, yeah, pulling that shit, then confirming that one whole character was gay only after she's made her money the last book has been out several months... d-:

[(Anonymous)]

na

I never really saw it as screaming that he;s heterosexual, it just seemed like a very teenager thing to do (a muggle thing at that, and the motorcycles and muggle ladies on his wall had the added bonus of ticking off his parents)

how does having a few bikini clad women on his wall mean he can't be bisexual? and he ran away from home at the young age of 16, it's not like he couldn't have explored his bisexuality after that. or maybe he took all of his pictures of naked guys with him and left the women behind, who the hell knows

[(Anonymous)]

Do you honestly think that if she revealed that Dumbledore was gay in the one of the last two books sales would be affected at all?

The parents who would be up in arms over that are the same people were already up in arms about the use of witchcraft.

[morieris]

Not the confessor, but...if my memory serves, the whole insert with Grindelwald kind of hinted at it, but not so much as a hint as the vaguest of subtext.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

You seriously think in order to mention a character's gay they have to be running around waving rainbow flag's in the story?

All she needed to do was have a character who knew Dumbledore make a quick little comment about him once liking a guy.

[(Anonymous)]

how would they even know though? dumbledore was regarded as a mysterious and private figure. even if some people he was close to knew he was gay, what cause would they have had to bring it up around Harry?

[(Anonymous)]

You are aware that a huge chunk of the last book was about Dumbledore's past, right? Including stuff he kept secret from Harry?

[(Anonymous)]

Simple enough. "Hm, yes, he was good friends with that Grindlewald fellow, and also liked to bum him, as I recall. Well, to each their own."

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Harry overhears things. He's a bit of an eavesdropper when it comes to that invisibility cloak.

[(Anonymous)]

But Dumbledore's One True Love ended when he was really young, and it was one-sided as far as we know, and it's implied that even Grindelwald didn't even catch on. He was also pretty heartbroken about everything that happened, evidently. So he wasn't going to talk about it, and the other characters weren't even born when he had this unrequited-love for Grindelwald, si Harry couldn't have just overheard, since I doubt anyone but he really knew much about it. And it was fairly heavily hinted at in the chapter Dumbledore chatted with Harry in heaven.

In any case, she told the producers/writers for the 6th film, because they had Dumbledore mention a woman in his life, and she wrote them to tell them he was gay.

[(Anonymous)]

She could have at least hinted at it like George RR Martin did with Renly and Loras in A Song of Ice and Fire.

[fauxkaren]

lol. The dudebro part of ASOIAF fandom was in SUCH heavy denial of that relationship for so long. The show kinda made them have to accept it as fact.

I think the huge anvil marked "Grindelore" missed you.

[(Anonymous)]

And I am terribly sorry. I rather enjoyed being struck over the head with it, personally.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean people might have shunned her, how oppressive.

[(Anonymous)]

When exactly was she meant to throw it in? He's a teacher and the books is from a child's pov. It's not exactly appropriate for a teacher to talk about their (past) sex life with a kid.

It's nice she mentioned it at all, although no she's not a lgbt beacon. But I appreciate the fact a well know and loved character was revealed to be gay...after everyone loved and mourned him. They had no chance to complain for a book to change since the series was done and gone.

- from a gay anon

[(Anonymous)]

Discussing homosexuality does not = Dumbledore talking about his sex life, just like Snape being heterosexual/in love with Lily does not = Snape talking about fucking Lily. It's funny that, as a gay person, you're still making the leap in logic that the heteronormative media makes, that a character is somehow sexually explicit purely for being non-straight.

[(Anonymous)]

You still don't address the point though. When would it have made narrative sense to discuss Dumbledore's romantic life with his students? We still don't know ANYTHING about McGonagall's romantic situation. Know why? Because it never fucking mattered in the story.

[author_by_night]

Technically she did. She described him as flamboyant in HBP, had him wear a bonnet in one of the books, and I think there were a few other things... but fandom didn't see it because they were too busy making everyone else gay. ;)

[(Anonymous)]

A+.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that flamboyant doesn't necessarily mean someone's gay. That's stereotyping. Not all gay men are flamboyant, and straight men can be flamboyant as well.

[cloudsinvenice]

No, but it's one of those cultural codewords that people will often use or read as a hint at someone's sexuality. I think the point is that JKR used a very loaded word about him knowing it would be one of those little "aha" moments for the switched on reader.