[ SECRET POST #2277 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2277 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

16. http://i.imgur.com/VIyYDiD.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC, what Pema and Tenzin did wasn't cheating. You could argue that Pema was poaching, but I seem to recall that the way it went down is that Pema told Tenzin she had feelings for him, and then he broke things off with Lin. Cheating would be if they went around behind Lin's back while Tenzin was still with her (like with Mako kissing Korra).

[saiika_von_maou]

Yes. This.

[brightblueink]

Yeah, that's exactly why I hate Makorra. If they actually had some sort of consequences for the cheating, that'd be one thing, but it made it look like the cheating was justified because it's ~*~true love~*~ and man, that pisses me off.

I didn't mind the Tenzin/Pema thing, though, because I didn't take it as cheating...?

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed on that last sentence; he broke up with Lin, because that's kind of what you're supposed to do when you discover that you're in love with somebody else instead of your partner. Otherwise, you end up unfairly stringing them along and it ends messily (see also: Makorra).

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the Tenzin/Pema thing was sort of one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations - there was no way to make everyone happy. What did happen sucked and got some feelings hurt, but it would've been way worse if Tenzin had actually cheated. Like Mako did.

I hope Asami gets to sock him in the face and tell Korra off for enabling it. And then she can go off and have her own show about being AWESOME.

[avatarmn]

This is one of the worst things about fandom. People make judgements about what "the show" is saying, when a story is still new and hasn't played out yet. We have no idea if there aren't going to be consequences of the cheating for Korra and Mako. It JUST happened.

[(Anonymous)]

I did always wonder if the reason Lin was so bitter towards Tenzin was that their breakup went the exact same way as Asami and Mako's.

Because that would be really shitty, but also kind of explain why Lin took it so hard.

[chardmonster]

It would be really shitty if they made a powerful female character still experience deep pain over what amounted to a teenage romance but I guess anything else would give kids the Wrong Message.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get that impression from what we know about the break-up (which is, admittedly, next to nothing). Between Tenzin talking about how he and Lin grew apart and Pema's claim that she just admitted her own feelings, plus the clash in Tenzin's and Lin's personalities, I figured that Tenzin and Lin hit a rough patch in their relationship and Pema confessed during that time. Lin could have taken it so badly because she saw Tenzin as running away from their problems rather than try to solve them-- she may have seen him as a sort of fair-weather friend, ducking out on her when things got tough.

[(Anonymous)]

If it makes you feel better it seems the majority of fandom feels this way. A lot of people disliked Mako because of the way he treated Asami and how he never seemed remorseful about it. I personally can't stand his character cause of it. If he had shown he felt BAD about what happened then it'd be one thing but his whole excuse of "Things are crazy right now" was so lame and stupid. People making mistakes and hurting someone's feelings happen, but to have a character A.) not acknowledge that he messed up whatsoever and B.) continue his current relationship despite knowing he likes someone else while trying to make the character a heroic hero is just bad storytelling. Tenzin I can let slide a bit more, as him and Lin are still good friends, which makes me believe they had a relatively clean break and he treats her with an enormous amount of respect, unlike how Mako treats Asami.

TLDR: Mako sucks. I really hope they show him give a REAL apology to Asami in the second season and experiencing some sort of guild on how he dragged her feelings through the mud.

[chardmonster]

Yes. One person broke off a relationship over wanting to have children, and started a new one.

The other one features two confused teenagers who kissed.

Truly this is the Sex in the City of our times.

[sensualcoco]

Well it's hard to tell exactly what went on with Tenzin Lin and Pema.


But Mako and Korra were so hard to watch.

[zenity]

I don't think anyone would disagree that the relationships were poorly, poorly handled in Korra. With Tenzin and Pema I think the situation was different (I don't think he strung Lin along iirc) but Mako should have at least apologized, or felt even remotely sorry for his actions. :\

[(Anonymous)]

pema's advice wasn't 'steal him' it was 'be honest with your feelings because you never know what might happen', still not great advice, but we don't know enough about tenzin and lin's relationship at the time -- for all we know, they were on the verge of a breakup when pema told tenzin how she felt.

and i don't really get where people say the show glamorizes cheating and breakups and love triangles. korra was clearly shown to be in the wrong by pursuing and kissing mako, and every time mako was shown giving attention to korra they always, ALWAYS cut to asami to show how much it was hurting her. she was never portrayed as being the bitchy other woman who was getting in the way of mako and korra's true love, they legitimized her anger at the situation. they arguably could have had a much better breakup scene and mako's apology could have been written better (i do think he legitimately felt bad for hurting asami).

[miarrow]

No it was badly handled all around. I thought they did better with the Tenzin x Lin situation, especially in him shutting down the "Pema didn't steal me!" but overall it was a little problematic and I can only hope with more writers and more time there will be a better thread to the rest of the Asami, Korra, Mako situation.

[gabzillaz]

I don't think Pema and Tenzin cheated.

Though I'd say that the pairings in Korra were horribly written in general.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh for fucks sake.

Are we really calling the twelve episode Korra-and-Mako-fuck-up-constantly storyline Canon Supported True Love? Do we really underestimate the audience that much?
(and if we do- can we really blame the creators?)

[(Anonymous)]

Meh, I liked the Korra/Mako/Asami love triangle. Yep, I said it. It seemed realistic, given that they are all, what, 17? And I grit my teeth every time some butthurt fans claims Mako was abusive to Asami because... I have no idea, really. Korra kissed him, and he liked Korra, but he wanted to stay true to Asami. It wasn't gold star writing, but I honestly don't think it was shit, either. I liked it. Also, I fucking love Korra and all she stands for, so, whatever.

[autumnal]

yeaahhh the handling of romance in this series made me want to punch a wall.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't really agree with you about Tenzin and Pema since there's not much we know about that situation, and it seems like Lin is on good terms with both. But the Mako/Korra situation I do agree with. At least you're polite about your views, OP. Which is less of what I can say for the people responding tho this secret. :/

[truxillogical]

Mostly I really wish that Korra had "been honest with her feelings" like they told her to, BUT that in the end, Makko had decided that he really did love Asami, even though he was attracted to Korra as well.

Because sometimes that's what happens in real life.

Sometimes you do love someone who doesn't quite love you back in the same way. And that's okay. "Victory" in stories, especially in stories aimed at kids and teenagers, needs to stop being equated with "got the guy/girl." Maybe just every now and again, even in a fantasy show, the first attempt at romance can just end with: "You really wanted it, you did All The Right Things, but you still don't get it. So you moved on and figured out how to be happy anyway. And maybe get a new love interest later."


(Plus, well, until--and maybe even after--their date, I kinda liked her and Bolin. The wacky character never gets the lead.)

Though I have to admit, it makes me love Asami that much more. That even after all that crap, she didn't have a Face Heel Turn for being the woman spurned. Because heartbreak? Just one more thing you deal with, now pass me my zappy gloves please.

[(Anonymous)]

Iirc, Tenzin had stated that his relationship with Lin ending had nothing to do with Pema - and had already been dying before she said anything. Pema just happened to give him the final boost to end it with Lin. At least, that was my understanding of it.

That said, I completely about the Korra/Mako stuff. While I can deal with cheating in stories, and can even appreciate it if the situation is well written, this...wasn't. There were no real consequences to it happening. Mako gets called out once, and Asami was made to look ridiculous for feeling that way. Actually, anytime she seems remotely unhappy about Mako and Korra's interactions she's played off as being an overly jealous girlfriend. When they do break up [presumably because of Mako's feelings for Korra] Asami doesn't show any hurt, upset, or any negative emotions at all. Hell, she even basically agrees to remain friends right as they break up [at least, that was the scene I understood as the break up scene.]

The way it portrayed as 'okay' just rubbed me the wrong way.

tl;dr: I don't quite think Lin, Tenzin, and Pema was cheating...but I agree [and have ~*feelings*~] about the rest.

...why is this a secret?

[nyxelestia]

Isn't this basically the opinion of the entire non-Makorra fandom? (Hell, I've even met some Makorra shippers who support the pairing because of the characters' compatibility/personality, but they don't like/support the way it went down in canon).

I mean, sure, there's a lot more conflict over the Lin and Pema/Tenzin thing (as someone else mentioned, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, and at the very least it sounds like Tenzin broke up with Lin instead of stringing her along like Mako did with Asami).

But other than that...isn't this what most people think? Or have I been out of the fandom for too long?

[aubry]

I only know this fandom from it cropping up on my Tumblr dash now and again. I thought the one on the left was a badass lesbian. I am disappoint.