[ SECRET POST #2280 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2280 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 080 secrets from Secret Submission Post #326.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/8RNQQyO.png

[(Anonymous)]

A few people misusing a word put you off a pairing? Yeesh. How were they misusing it, anyway?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm unfamiliar with this word. (google) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergi

Interesting. Also esoteric. Are you a scholar on the subject?

[elaminator]

Well...that's a bit odd, but I guess you can't help it. Hope you weren't very interested in the pairing to begin with.

[ninety6tears]

Mmm, that art.

[deadtree]

ikr

+1

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I do admit that the constant use of that word in fanfics is a bit grating (most fans just seem to use it as the Asgardian version of the inslut 'fag', and if the world 'fag' featured as prominently in my fics it'd be grating, too) but... it seems to be in use even in other pairing Loki is involved in. Why the special hate for this particular one?

[(Anonymous)]

*insult

[(Anonymous)]

LOL. That was a very Freudian slip there ;)

[deadtree]

that seems like an overreaction... I've seen it used and it usually seems fine, though. What exactly were the fics saying?

[(Anonymous)]

I fucking hate this pairing because I love Thor. Loki can GTFO

[(Anonymous)]

Word.

(Also, the fact that they were raised as brothers makes it especially DNW for me, but Thor is way too good for Loki.)

[(Anonymous)]

Seconded, but primarily because rabid Hiddlers and Loki-apologists have given me a seething contempt for All Things Loki.

[(Anonymous)]

It's hard to ship something where both parties are such giant douches, yeah.

[fingalsanteater]

Sounds like an excuse to hate a pairing you probably weren't all that fond of to begin with.

[kittenmommy]

I don't like this pairing because it is incest, and incest squicks me. For some reason, I'm even more bothered by the people who are like, "LOL, it's not incest 'cause Loki's adopted!" than I am by people who just tag the fic as incest.

[(Anonymous)]

I know what you mean. I personally find incest distasteful, but at least some people acknowledge that their fetish is in the minority and have the decency to admit that it is, in fact, incest. I mean, regardless of whether they think incest is acceptable, they don't gloss it over to be something entirely different.

The people who think that the fact that they're adopted siblings somehow makes it not incest (or "quasi-incest"; WTF?) either don't understand what a sibling is or don't understand what incest is.

In either case, they're abysmally stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

"For some reason"? Maybe because they know how to have their fun while allowing other people to steer clear of squicks?

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is one of those cases where one person used it and then people copied it and then there were arguments over how big of an insult it is and what it means exactly and if it makes any sense to use at all ...

Which is typical of the Thor fandom. Ideas are cannibalized all over the place especially when it comes to the original comics/mythology/viking culture. So there's a lot of stuff like ergi, intersex jotun, and weird characterization of minor characters that becomes fanon.

[(Anonymous)]

I am very curious as to how you've seen it misused! I've done a lot of research on Old Norse homosexuality (for... a fandom years before Thor) and the impression I got was that nobody is quite exactly sure what range of meanings that word had in the Old Norse? But maybe I missed something?

(...and while I am fairly forgiving of 'ergi' meaning-wise, they do often massacre the grammar, and I've seen fics using other old Norse terms that they very clearly did minimal research on. Like, 'pulled from a badly OCR'd google book, because that's the only other source in the universe that spelled it that badly.')

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda feel like I want to explain more...

As for why this particular pairing, that's just where I saw it. I don't doubt it pops up in other pairings with Loki, but I haven't seen it yet (though I just realized that I've sort of been trending away from all Loki slash). I guess seeing it repeatedly within the same pairing made me think it's some bandwagon thing, though I have no idea if that's true. Just a gut reaction of "Get me away from these people!"

I guess the reason it bugs me so much is that it makes it look like the writer wants to seem educated without actually bothering to educate themselves (the same sort of person who goes "Did you know that to say [x phrase] in French, you actually say..."). It's not a word you would just throw around, and it's not an adjective either (not in that form, anyway). What I mainly see is grammatical misuse, which wouldn't happen if you'd done even basic research.

Also (and sorry to get SJW up in here), it feeds into the queer fetishization that happens in fandom. What's even more messed up is that instead of just fetishizing someone's sexuality (which is bad enough), here they're fetishizing something that is a totally fucked-up idea: that the "bottom" in a gay male relationship is basically a woman, always. Essentially, writing Loki's "ergi" as something to fap over. Or laugh at. I once saw the phrase "homo Vikings" used in an intrafandom explanation of ergi. Excuse me while I vomit bile.

I'm not a scholar by any means, but I do read Old Norse, so it really sticks out to me. I guess it would be like being fluent in Spanish and seeing a Spanish word just awkwardly and incorrectly shoehorned into the dialogue of a Spanish-speaking character. It's off-putting, and it makes you think the writer is ignorant about the culture they're writing.

I realize that people aren't expected to have any understanding of a language that's considered dead. I also realize that Thor is only loosely based on actual Norse mythology, but the concept of ergi is one that was taken from an actual culture by the Thor fans, and not by the movie/comic writers.

Though I realize it's stupid to get my panties in a twist, hence the secret.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Oh, and the other anons are right about the uncertainty of what it actually meant, originally. The thing is that the fanfic writers are working on the assumption that it means what you'll see on the Wikipedia page (submissive homosexuality).

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

No it's not like being a native speaker of a living language like Spanish. More like Latin.

Re: OP

[bet]

I'm Icelandic which is the closest to Old Norse as you can get and we still actually have that word (argur) and "ergja" which is close to "ergi", but now it means being annoyed. I totally get finding it grating if people are using it like "haha you're ergi", which is like saying "haha, you're a homosexuality" or something to that effect :B