[ SECRET POST #2385 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2385 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 073 secrets from Secret Submission Post #341.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/sv0Hcit.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Superman had a tiny, tiny head back in the 70's.

[(Anonymous)]

Silver Age Lois Lane was the best Lois Lane..

[(Anonymous)]

I'm more than a little disturbed by the expression on puppet!Superman's face...

[forgottenjester]

Things got kinky so quickly.

[(Anonymous)]

That panel is actually from 1987. Not that it changes your point, just moves it forward a decade.

[(Anonymous)]

I was wondering how that jacket could possibly represent '70s fashion. Thanks for clearing that question up for me, anon!

[forgottenjester]

Well, I kinda have a question that's semi-related to anyone into comics here. How does older Lois compare to Lois written today in comics? Is she still pretty feminist? Is she better? Worse? (I'm just mildly curious.)

[(Anonymous)]

By "today" do you mean the nu!52 or the 2000s in general?

I haven't touched a comic from the nu!52, but in the 2000s, she was pretty feminist...but tended to be pretty bland and subdued about it, and tended to have a more bland and subdued personality overall than she had in the 1970s-early 1990s. She became much more cookie-cutter and generic, rather than having bold and obvious character traits.

But in general, the personality of superhero comics characters - especially ones from titles that have a huge rotating train of writers like Action Comics/Superman - have started varying by writer so wildly since the late '90s that IMO their character development can no longer really be described as anything more than a collection of general tendencies.

[shinysylver]

The panel in the secret is from Superman volume 2 Annual 1 from 1987 which was written by John Byrne. Byrne did manage a pretty interesting Lois, but some of the things he did to other women...like Big Barda... Also I am not extremely fond of the cruel edge Lois sometimes has in his writing. She uses people's weight as an insult for example.

That panel in particular is her punching a scientist who did shady and cruel testing on a chimpanzee. Superman had been barely holding himself back from doing the same when she stepped up and let rip.

[(Anonymous)]

I personally kinda liked Lois' cruel edge. It made her more flawed and less generic-love-interest-y. Though with Byrnes it could get a bit much...Byrnes in general tended to go a bit too far with his ideas. Like, I love his run on the Fantastic Four and what he did with the characters there (Sue's temporary Face Heel Turn excluded of course...though I think that was editorial mandate anyway), but sometimes his portrayal of Ben Grimm's monster-angst could go overboard. He tried to kill himself at least once with very little out-of-the-ordinary motive.

[darkmanifest]

I've noticed this happening with quite a few recent heroine re-imaginings. It's really distressing how we seem to be going backwards in some ways.

(frozen comment)

[(Anonymous)]

It is because back in the 1970s comic publishers expected their readers to not be whiny manchildren who delighted in putting women down to cover up their own insecurities. Sadly as women have advanced, men have gotten more and more immature and childish. These days most guys seem to be more caricatures of 5th graders in adult bodies and determined to keep themselves that way. That applies even more so to producers and distributors of movies and comics, they seem to be determined to be enablers of that permanent brathood of guys. I long for the days when you told a guy to go pick up some coal or bring the shopping in from the car, that they'd just do it without whining about missing something on their xbox or making a joke about sandwiches. Guys, just man up and show some dignity.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you OP, not to mention Lois in the TV series from the 60s was much more bolshie and strong that the Lois's since. Margot Kidder is still a lot tougher and Snarkier than Amy Adams in that recent travesty. She and Margot Kidder would never have let Toby from the West Wing save the day like Amy Adams does.

[(Anonymous)]

You know we've regressed when Lois in the 1940s cartoons is more feminist than modern Lois. In fact, I might even say 1940s-cartoon-Lois is the best Lois.

Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFmVqVeYdC8

She doesn't just wait around for Superman to rescue her, she picks up a freaking gun and starts shooting back at the bad guys. Now that is badass.

[(Anonymous)]

You can tell she's a feminist because she's punching a man.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought Lois in man of steel was a pretty good character in her own right actually, I mean she did save Supes at one point with a little help from Russell Crowe's hologram. She was ballsy, assertive, self-confident and had a little sass on her, I really liked her tbh and I'd argue she'd qualify as a feminist adaption of the character. I liked how she was a career woman who didn't back down against doing what she wanted even when her male peers forbid it (both in the beginning when she went searching outside for the sighting and then when she wanted to pursue her story despite her boss calling it crazy)

I've always been a Lois fan though, from the comics to Smallville

[dancing_clown]

OK, but you know being a feminist isn't about beating people up, right?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm curious as to what Lois in Smallville or the Man of Steel needed to do in the series and the movie in order to qualify as feminist.

I'm hoping it's more than just punching out someone with a peen.

[(Anonymous)]

Comics used to be written for kids.

Now they're written for nerdbros and the movies are made for dudebros.

(frozen comment)

[(Anonymous)]

It is because back in the 1970s comic publishers expected their readers to not be whiny manchildren who delighted in putting women down to cover up their own insecurities. Sadly as women have advanced, men have gotten more and more immature and childish. These days most guys seem to be more caricatures of 5th graders in adult bodies and determined to keep themselves that way. That applies even more so to producers and distributors of movies and comics, they seem to be determined to be enablers of that permanent brathood of guys. I long for the days when you told a guy to go pick up some coal or bring the shopping in from the car, that they'd just do it without whining about missing something on their xbox or making a joke about sandwiches. Guys, just man up and show some dignity.

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is Lois Lane punching someone in the face, with Superman standing back and watching, from a Superman comic book. Superman has short dark hair and is wearing his blue and red spandex suit and red cape. Lois Lane has brown hair pulled up and is wearing a magenta suit. The punched man has a goatee and short graying hair and is wearing a lab coat and gloves. They all have pale skin. She is screaming "Shut Up!"]

It bothers me that comic books in the seventies wrote Lois Lane more feminist and with more personality than any film adaptation from 1978 through 2013.

[(Anonymous)]

I read 1950ies science fiction that had better feminist characters than modern works. How sad is that?

[(Anonymous)]

What the hell makes a character 'feminist'? Or what makes one character more feminist than another? You want an nutjob that does things to get herself and everyone else in trouble? Cause that was in the new movie. She doesn't listen to the army guy and marches off into the frozen wasteland and gets herself in trouble.

Granted I'm probably biased because I hate real or imaginary obnoxious reporters that don't know when to stop being stupid in pursuit of a story.

[(Anonymous)]

God, as a woman, I hate the idea of a "feminist character" if just because it's so different to each person and I feel the criteria simply furthers to restrict woman characters. Seriously, I've seen so many backwards argument of why so-and-so isn't a good feminist character ranging from "She's too girly/manly" to "The camera was point to her boobs once, thus male gaze". That, and the idea that feminism is only way to equality and the only standard a character should have.