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Got tired to be a fatty. I have chronical pain due to a years old lession and absolute aversion to physical activity (post-PE at school trauma because the teacher was a bully, it bores me to tears, etc - but the worse is that when I tried excersizing earlier in the year at the gym the pain got worse). And I have fun eating, I love it, I had been self-training to be a veggie chef and work at a restaurant the last months. Honestly I wouldn't change my habits. BUT.

But today I tried on a jacket I customized last year to fit me perfectly and it wouldn't even get close to be able to be zipped. So yeah. Fuck it. I'll bow down to the stupid western beauty standards and go to a nutritionist. Will keep on cooking, but won't be able to taste the food I make.

This makes me so bitter I can't even. GAH. :|

...it makes you bitter that your love of eating has caused you to gain weight, as is in accordance with logic?

I'm a bit confused about the "won't be able to taste the food I make" thing though. is there a certain medical issue that you have that causes this or are you assuming that healthy food = extremely bland? because that's really not true at all...

It makes me bitter because I wish I gave no fucks about my appearance. But apparently I do. I'm not doing it for my health. I feel bad about being shallow enough to care about this.

I'd say I already eat healthy, actually. I cook my own food, and have even been a vegetarian for the last ten years. I seldomly eat junk food, or pre-packaged stuff, I make everything from scratch. So I it's not the food, or at least not entirely the food, the reason I gained so much weight. I suspect I'll be eating rabbit food the rest of the year after I go to the doctor.

tbph I think there's more stigma attached to intentional weight loss than is warranted. Like, personally I hate bras and makeup and fashion and find these things problematic, but I don't harsh people who talk about them. Wanting your body to look & feel the way you're comfortable with isn't 'shallow', imo, just an aspect of having a stable identity, and I think it's best not to judge oneself for that.

just speaking personally, I hate gyms and hated PE but there's kinds of activity I love. I was very lucky in that I discovered these while still having to deal with PE (and was thus doubly incensed, because on top of all the shit I was doing for fun I had to do crapass PE as well? Why.)

The bad news is, exercise does not help people lose weight (though it does help people maintain weight) but regular exercise is more important for general health than losing weight.

I love eating too but calorie counting really worked for me, mostly because it made me resolve to never eat boring things. If you're already used to making your own food at home and eating tons of veggies (which are the other most important things for general health) you'd probably do pretty well with a calorie app/tracking site. I used LoseIt.com for a while last year but I've also heard NutritionData.com highly recommended, and I think it tracks individual nutrients more finely than LoseIt? but the great benefit of LoseIt is that you can scan barcodes with your smartphone before eating anything.

Also, I love Yoni Friedhoff's blog, http://www.weightymatters.com

ETA: I just want to stress that cooking your own food at home is one of the most basic things you can do to lose weight, it just might be slightly different food, possibly not as different as you think. Like, LoseIt got me into the habit of measuring my cooking oil, which I'd previously never done, and I found I'd simply been using far more than was necessary. Calorie counting is also a good way to assess which aspects of one's diet are actually worth the price tag - like, I don't even really like bread or pasta so I just quit eating them because they are boring to me AND 'expensive' caloriewise. Other people ditch other things instead but keep whatever makes them happy. Etc.

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The only physical activity I actually like is biking, and I'm screwed because my bike got stolen years ago. Stationary biking is really, really boring; but even if I got a real bike, Santiago is not friendly to biking. Like, at all. There are no bike lanes and the streets are really dangerous because everyone drives like a loon.

I'll save the links. Thank you, Thene. I abhorred the idea of calorie counting... it's strongly associated to EDs in my mind, because I actually know people who make an obsession of it.

As I explained in another comment, I already cook at home! I cook myself all my meals, and you know I'm vegetarian. I make all my stuff from scratch except for the pasta and the bread. (Which sadly are things I really like. Like, I really love pasta to death. It'll be so boring to ditch carbs. This is why I was referring as "rabbit food".) *sigh*

I'm sure there's things other than carbs that you will be happy to do without though!

Calorie counting sets a lot of people off, yeah - it's much like budgeting with money; not everyone who does it is a total miser, others just want to live within their means without stressing too much. It's just information - until you've LOOKED at the math, you often don't even know what's doing the damage. I certainly had a few surprises, eg. the overuse of cooking oil.

As I explained in another comment, I already cook at home! <-- yeah, I was just noting that you will definitely want to keep eating your own food! It just might be slightly different food. You'll probably find a lot of favourite things that aren't at all 'expensive' caloriewise, so you can just emphasise those while moderating the more 'expensive' things. (My major outlay is meat, lol. At least you won't have to worry about that).

ETA: btw, check here before you set a calorie goal: http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/fitness/bmr_meal_calculator.php BMR is a good check on whether your calorie goal is too low to be healthy & reasonable.

Edited 2013-08-06 04:11 (UTC)

Um, yeah, actually exercising DOES help people lose weight. How much it helps any particular individual undoubtedly varies, but any time I've ever lost a significant amount of weight, it was because I was physically active.

No, studies have found that exercise consistently has very little influence on weight across the general population.

ETA: more here

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Please go read the article the blog cites as its solitary source. The article that spells out that exercise consistently has influence on weight loss and gain. I wouldn't have thought to go looking for it but it's mentioned in the comments of the blog you linked that the author totally missed the point of the original article.

There have been literally billions of hours of research done around the world that all say the same thing: exercise is tied directly to weight loss. Food is the other major factor. Anyone who says differently is either incredibly stupid or wants attention.

This.

Weight loss happens when someone is using more calories than they're eating. Exercise increases calorie usage, ergo it can help weight loss as long as the person doesn't start eating more as a result*.

*because once you fall under your 'set point' your body does what it can to go back to it until it adjusts to your new set point.

Yes, and that research tends to show that food has a much MUCH greater influence on weight than exercise. The benefits of exercise for weight loss exist but are TINY compared to the influence of diet. ETA: while we're ad-homming, I assume anyone who stresses the influence of exercise over diet is a shill for the food industry.

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What? How wouldn't exercise help anyone lose weight? Considering weight loss is basically calories in vs. calories out, being more active and exercising wouldn't help in the least? Holy crap it's so ignorant.

I thought I typed a reply to this but I don't see it now. o_0

anyway, the simple math answer is that the numbers involved in exercise calories are way smaller than dietary calories. The average American eats something like 2700 calories a day. Many people can't do enough exercise daily to dent that down to the point where significant weight loss will occur. I try to get a short run in every other day, which is about 200 calories of exercise over & above my resting level of output. Paying attention to what I eat simply has a way larger numerical effect. This is the case for almost everyone who isn't a professional athlete.

It's also notable that every time the food industry pipes up about weight it's to say 'oh, we should PROMOTE EXERCISE' - it's the solution that diverts attention from the real problem, which is our shitty food environment.

Source for your "average American" eaten calories?

Exercise helps with weight loss. Period. The calories burned from it add to those burned from a person's basal metabolic rate, and studies have shown that it gives said metabolism a boost. Much like eating breakfast.

If your run is only burning 200 calories, that's the fault of your run.

But I guess if you were eating 2,700 calories and only burning 200 calories and then dropped your food down to 1,600 calories or something, of course it's going to feel like food has the greater impact. Because you were eating an obscene amount of food to begin with.

"Many people can't do enough exercise daily to dent that down to the point where significant weight loss will occur."
Uh, no. They don't do enough exercise daily, not can't. The average American is physically capable of turning off the TV or computer or setting aside whatever it is that they're doing while sitting on their ass and exercising instead.

Your example is based on overeating and not exercising. I can believe the average American overeats but going for a run will burn more than 200 calories unless you're only running a very short distance. In which case: YES, you need to do more exercise in addition to decreasing the amount of calories you take in.

"This is the case for almost everyone who isn't a professional athlete." Really? I mean, really? Because biologically, exercise is as important to health and fitness and weight as diet.

America has a shitty food environment and it's important people seek out foods that are healthy. And it isn't easy to find them. But the average American also leads a sedentary lifestyle that exacerbates weight gain brought on by the shitty food culture. In order to lose weight, a person has to limit their food intake to within the target range for their age, size and gender, and increase their physical activity to the point they are burning a minimum of 500 calories 4-5 times a week.

Actually, the calorie intake you posted is *way* over. For example, I'm somewhat overweight and that's still 700+ calories over what I eat - and I'll admit I over eat some*.

If you want to talk about weight loss in relation to over eating then yeah. Exercise isn't going to help much because...well. You're just flat out eating too much, then there's no way to make up the extra calories without exercising and unhealthy amount. However, in conjunction with *not* over eating, exercise does help since it increases the calories you use, and those 200 extra calories can make quite a deference.

*and yes, I'm roughly average height.

While a change in eating is also key in losing weight, exercise is also the other part because it helps you to use more calories, which, sorry to say, it doesn't sound like you're doing a enough of. You're not going to lose anything burning only 1400 calories a week (not counting any calories burned going about your normal business and assuming you do short runs 7 days a week). And it sounds like you're looking for an excuse not to push yourself (and others) to do more exercise.

And people can do enough exercise, but a lot of people just choose not to. And we should do more exercise, considering it was just recently that jobs became abundant that require little to no physical labor and people abandoned the family farm for urban living.

I thought you were losing weight to fit into a jacket, not bowing down to "stupid western beauty standards"?

Isn't it the same thing :/

not really, you could get someone to adjust the jacket if you really wanted to

It's more like, the jacket not fitting made me realize I actually didn't fit in any of the clothes I really like; and instead of just spending money I don't have in buying a whole wardrobe in bigger sizes, I really ought to go back to being thin. Because I wasn't fat before.

Well...no. Being upset that an expensive jacket no longer fits is different than feeling the need to conform to beauty standards. The only reason I'm trying to lose weight is because some of my jeans are getting too tight and I don't want to buy new clothes. God, do I ever not want to buy new clothes

Good luck to you!

Thank you, Nonnie :3

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