[ SECRET POST #2468 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2468 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://oi44.tinypic.com/snz636.jpg

[dreemyweird]

I'm not a fan of the franchise (indeed I've contrived to avoid watching/reading a single part of it), but I decided to watch this scene on youtube out of curiosity... and I can't take it seriously because of the scream. It was so unexpected and ridiculous, and it made me jump really high. I'm not sure I can imagine a context that would make it any degree of touching.

[(Anonymous)]

I would say it's a lot less cheesy than the original scene with Kirk screaming "Kooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnahhhhhh" :p

[bur]

Except Kirk was deliberately being hammy to try and make Kahn think he'd lost his ever-lovin' mind. Spock meant it in STID, which makes it far far far more cheesy in context. At least to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah.

[forgottenjester]

That would have been interesting. Then the entire next movie is about figuring out how to bring people back from the dead. It's not we've don't that before either- oh wait.

Seriously you just can't win with that scene. They shouldn't have tried to put it in at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it was just a bad idea putting it in, I think. I don't see any way for it to be better than the original - at best it's still going to be derivative, and at worst it's going to be embarrassing. And it's coming at a moment that's supposed to be the emotional climax of the entire movie. And the execution wasn't great either - not to be the person who says they did it better in the original, but they did it better in the original.

[forgottenjester]

I agree. You took the words out of my mouth. But then, I didn't like the entire movie and thought it was just a bunch of lazy, lazy writing so I'm very biased.

[nyxelestia]

The entire movie was a bad idea. Out of all the things they could have done, why choose to rehash that movie? Why choose to rehash the movies at all? You already have a wildly different universe and history to work in - why do the same story over again?

[sootyowl]

Seriously you just can't win with that scene. They shouldn't have tried to put it in at all.

This. Spock dying for Kirk/the crew is an immortalized scene in media for a reason.

(Tbh they shouldn't have tried to remake the Wrath of Khan at all.)

[forgottenjester]

(Tbh they shouldn't have tried to remake the Wrath of Khan at all.)

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the entire movie.

[(Anonymous)]

They really didn't remake it, though! All it really takes from WoK is the character of Khan and the one iconic moment. If you look at the plot, it's way closer to Undiscovered Country than to Wrath of Khan (although not close enough that I'd necessarily call it a remake of TUC).

Which in some ways just makes it worse that they took that scene and tried to jam it in there.

[lynx]

I've realized that I will never be able to actually watch this movie (it got in theatres here last week, I think? Yeah. Fucking late, I know). Just seeing the gifsets with the switched places makes me boil with rage. AND I'M A K/S SHIPPER, DAMMIT. And I do like Pine and Quinto as Kirk and Spock! It's just. GAH.

You cannot compare Wrath of Khan to Into the Darkness. There's just SO MUCH FAIL all over it, they should've gone with ANY other storyline instead of a reheated-plot-with-switcharoo-and-whitekhan sequel.

[(Anonymous)]

mte anon

[(Anonymous)]

My attitude toward the Reboot movies is they are NOT Star Trek, thank you very much, they are more like glorified fanfic - made by someone who's not a fan, just into making a profit off a popular franchise - and that said, they are reasonably entertaining popcorn flicks.

So I didn't mind that scene in the movie itself, so much. It was eye-rollingly bad, but then it was over and we could move on.

My beef is with the constant rehashing of the scene with gif sets etc. on Tumblr. OK, I get it, some people find the scene actually meaningful and that's okay. But by now it's like a pop song that's a fairly decent song and you liked it okay the first time you heard it, but then it went into heavy rotation and now you fucking detest it with every last shred of your soul.

That's how I feel about that scene now.

[nyxelestia]

The reboot movies aren't Star Trek, they're what popular culture likes to think of Star Trek as. JJ Abrams himself said he didn't really like Star Trek as a kid - while he was okay with it to make the movie, he really disliked how "slow" and philosophical it is.

He seemed to miss the fact that "slow and philosophical" was kind of the point. Star Wars was a space drama, Star Trek was a drama set in space. There is a reason why there is a lot of division between these two franchises, which in turn are entirely separate for a reason.

[(Anonymous)]

the problem with that scene is that they spoiled it with the japanese trailer back in december so people are giffing it since then
the hands on the glass got old and boring before the movie was even released (that person going batshit insane just to prove that the hands were Kirk and Spock @_@)

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, agreed. Well, moreso with the first part. I probably wouldn't have cared whether they died or not. STID was just bad.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

It's stuff like that that makes me start to believe in the Death of (American) Science Fiction. Hard sci-fi never lived up to it's pretensions except for the guys chasing the nerd rapture. Soft sci-fi has gone all meta, with the better films plundering PKD, while the wurst plunder the screenwriter's childhood blockbusters.

[millificent]

Actually I would love a movie with Sulu, Uhura, Bones, Scotty and Chekov. (and Chapel) I find those characters a lot more exciting than Nu!Kirk or Nu!Spock.

Plus, I'm always waiting for a series ballsy enough to kill off it's main character. How about making a story about moving on and going forward? After all isn't that a part of Star Trek? About a tight crew, and discovery, and humanity?

[nyxelestia]

You're laboring under the assumption that JJ Abrams cares about the point and atmosphere of the original series in the first place.

Pro-tip: he does not.

He said he didn't like Star Trek growing up, and even when the show started to grow on him, he disliked the "discovery and humanity" elements of it. He tried to turn Star Trek into what everyone else thinks of Star Trek instead of pulling new audiences into what Star Trek actually is.

[(Anonymous)]

Plus, I'm always waiting for a series ballsy enough to kill off it's main character.

Given your icon, I have to wonder if you were as disappointed with the twist/not-twist as I was. I wish AoT had been that ballsy.

[pantswarrior]

I have not yet seen the movie, but fairly recently saw enough info about this scene that I think I get the gist of what happens.

I'm pretty sure I should not watch it with my girlfriend because she'll be crying and I'll be unable to stop laughing.

[(Anonymous)]

Unashamedly love this movie and this scene and the reboot movies (along with TOS). Haters gonna hate.

[(Anonymous)]

way too out of character and contrived and I secretly think that the writers wanted to piss off those that already hated quinto-Spock and called him OOC back in 2009
In the third movie he will laugh, make jokes and cheat on Uhura with catgirls.