[ SECRET POST #2526 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2526 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Doctor Who]


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[Disney]


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[TMNT]


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[Thor: The Dark World]


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[As Told By Ginger]


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[daughter, purity ring]


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[Sleepy Hollow]


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[Attack on Titan/Shingeki No Kyojin]


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[The Producers]











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Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/Ve8Ssyi.jpg
[Doctor Who]

[comradesmiler]

ehhh, both Clara and Rose are shit. Martha and Donna are much better.

[comma_chameleon]

Leela and Romana (I and II) forever! Or if we start going into audios, Lucy forever too.

[(Anonymous)]

This, so much.

[(Anonymous)]

When you've seen more than just the relaunch Doctors I think it improves your perspective. The Doctor's had a loooooong life and a lot of companions...and many showrunners, for that matter.

Sarah Jane and also Ace 4lyf!!1

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't RTD the guy who wrote the 'nice lovely girl ends up trapped inside a tile for the rest of her life, sucking her boyfriend's dick every day' story? Feminist my ass.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I think it would have been kinder to just let the poor girl die. What kind of life does the Doctor expect her to be able to have? It would even be different if she had lived in some other century where the fact that she was a face on a tile wouldn't have kept her from being able to go out in public, or just not have to hide her existence from the rest of the world. She can't do anything for herself, and she can't ever leave the guy that the Doctor stuck her with. Ever.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that episode was written by Moffat.

[fauxkaren]

lol RTD is not perfect and that joke was terrible. But it really was a throwaway joke.

That's way different from Moffat's continual and constant failure at writing women.

[(Anonymous)]

Moffat wrote that. Wikipedia says RTD but the title credits say Moffat.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's really weird that the only thing we talk about, with both writers, is their representation of women - whether or not they're feminist has become the central, at times the only, angle we take when we're trying to judge them as writers. Which ultimately doesn't really make a lot of sense. Moffat's problems as a writer extend far, far beyond his problems with female characters.

[(Anonymous)]

THISSSSSSS his "portrayal of women" is the big problem people have with the man? How about his stupid gimmick-ex-machina-every-five-seconds-that-loosely-passes-for-plot? How about the plot holes so big, you can fit Gallifrey through them? (Not that there's much plot to have holes, to begin with.) How about the breakneck, incoherent pace, in lieu of actually making the viewer engage with the characters and their story? How about the OTT overwrought soap opera emotionalism, that gets turned on and off like a faucet, as needed? How about his attachment to repetitive, cliched tropes, that no one is telling him about/warning him to veer away from, because everyone's afraid to say the emperor has no clothes?

[(Anonymous)]

This secret is such a misreading of the original post. The point is not that Rose is the one true companion or even that one writer is feminist and the other isn't - it's that RTD and Moff have very different approaches to making television. I think the original post pretty accurately pinpoints what those different approaches are - Moff uses his companion as a function of the plot - Clara is the kind of person who would be a Doctor Who companion. Rose is a Doctor Who companion, but she's also (because RTD is a very character-based writer) a character. This is shown not just in the way that Rose and Clara are depicted on screen, but also in the kind of comments that the two showrunners make about their lead characters.

[fauxkaren]

This.

[erinptah]

You know, I can imagine half of that paragraph about RTD's Thoughts On Rose being accurate. And it's the half that doesn't sound a whole lot better than what I imagine Moffat's Thoughts On Clara to be like. She's Strong Yet Vulnerable, she's So Young But So Very Brave, she's beautiful, she's the wonderfulest and most compassionate and he's more than ready to talk about how great she is for hours on end.

Moff would definitely talk about how Clara is strong, how she was compassionate enough to redirect the end of the Time War, and brave enough to jump into some kind of timeline-shattering vortex to save the Doctor. The main problem I have with him is that he would fixate on how she's ~impossible!!~, showing that off to try to get people's interest, which the post quoted here barely even mentions :/

[(Anonymous)]

I have a lot of problems with Moffat but most Moffat!haters (aka 90% of ONTD) are incredibly OTT, intellectually dishonest and/or stupid, so they can piss off as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Way to the miss the point, OP. I can't tell if you lack reading comprehension or if you're delusional.

[fauxkaren]

RTD wasn't just a better writer for his female characters. He was a better writer. Full stop.

But that's not the point.

The point is that yes, Rose had those characteristics, but she ALSO had development and relationships outside of her relationship to the Doctor.

Moffat's companions don't.

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't Rose usually in pants?

[(Anonymous)]

While I haven't seen any episodes with Clara yet, I can say that Rose has been unbelievably grating for me and I'm enjoying Moffat's DW more than RTD's, even if the writing has obvious problems.

[(Anonymous)]

neither of them are feminist writers.

but at least RTD lets his companions act like people

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny, if you ask about people's favorite episodes, most of them will say Blink, The Girl in the Fireplace, Silence in the Library.... Here, on the other hand, is 'Moffat is the worst writer ever, even worse than Stephenie Meyer'. Haters gonna hate, I suppose.

[(Anonymous)]

IMHO

On the whole Moff/RTD issue, I've always liked RTD's writing more. Simply because I think it's more character driven, whereas Moffat's writing is more plot driven. I also like that in the RTD era the scripts were more slow paced and compact. In the Moffat era it's more fast paced, elaborate and for me that gets in the way of... building a bond, I guess. I so badly wanted to fall in live with Eleven they way I fell in love with Nine and Ten, and it just... didn't happen, partly due to the writing.
There are issues with both their writing, but I guess I decided quite early on that when it comes to writing (in general) I am quite willing to fill in the plot holes with my own imagination. ;)

Secret 2 - Doctor Who (TV series)

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is the screen-capture of a tumblr post. It goes like this:

"October 20, 2013. 972 notes.

I feel like if you asked Moffat to describe Clara he'd be all: oh she's funny and witty and sexy and actiony and flirty and did I mention pretty??? oh and she loves the Doctor oh and she's impossible, and she's bossy and did I mention the dads will love her? did I mention she's pretty? did I mention that she's feisty? feisty and pretty, yeah! basically 10/10 would bang, soooo sexy, her skirt's so tight! tee hee! naughty clara!

Whereas if you asked RTD to describe Rose he'd end up going off on some three hour love declaration about her flaws and her weaknesses and her beauty and her humanity and her background and her family and where she lived and her past loves and food she enjoys and music she likes and jokes she finds funny and her delicious selfishness but also her immense compassion and her wicked eye make up and her political opinions and her mixed emotions for her father and her strength but also her vulnerability and her uncertainty and her conflicting natures of wanting freedom and love, but also wanting to be there for her mother, and being torn between those two lives and being oh-so-young but so very brave.

And I think that kind of sums up their approaches when it comes to lady characters.

Filed under: moffat hate, moffat crit, doctor who, rose tyler"]

[Text from the secret maker]

I don't like Moffat's work either but I can't stand it when people say stuff like this on Tumblr. Rose is feisty and pretty, loves the Doctor, wears tight skirts and also functions as something "for the Dads" and it's dumb to pretend she's sooo different.

I HATE that One True Companion bullshit.

I also hate that RTD's work is now idolized compared to Moffat's writing. RTD only looks like a feminist compared to Moffat's incompetence.