[ SECRET POST #2528 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2528 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

that's how I feel about X-Files

(waits for the catcalls, boos, hurled tomatoes, etc)

[(Anonymous)]

Can I play too? That's how I feel about Tai/Sora from Digimon.

[(Anonymous)]

Here's some booze and tomatoes for ya - enjoy! ;)

[(Anonymous)]

You won't get any boos from me. That's exactly how I feel about X-Files, Joanlock and Abbie/Ichabod. I tend to agree with the OP that a lot of the time there's some underlying homophobia when people are down on m/m or f/f pairings, but there are also plenty of people who say the same damn thing about m/f pairings.

We're not just not that vocal about it because no one cares and the shippers always win.

[(Anonymous)]

There are some people who wonder why a man and a woman can't ever just be friends on TV, but they're usually the minority drowned out by the cries of shippers.

[(Anonymous)]

There are so few TV shows with man+woman main characters that are only friends. It's disappointing.

[(Anonymous)]

This

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much. I wonder all the time why many m/f, f/f or m/m pairings can'tjust be friends.

[(Anonymous)]

If it's any comfort, darling, I always feel that way about m/f pairings, particularly those that end up being canon seemingly just because there MUST be some kind of romance in every story even it contributes nothing to the plot or the message.

[(Anonymous)]

They're in league with the "Why did so and so feel the need to make a public declaration of his gayness/bisexuality? It's nobody's business." freaks.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, it's said of ALL romantic shipping at some point, no matter the genders involved. But I think the anti-slash people are a lot louder about it.

I feel you, OP.

[fingalsanteater]

This is one of fandom things I'm forever bitter about. Don't forget the cries of "you're delusional" when a same-sex couple has sexual and romantic chemistry (not to mention intentional queer bating).

Secret 8 - Shipping

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is dark blue text over a white blank background.]

This has probably been expressed before.

But it pisses me off SO much when anyone says of a male/male or female/female ship that people are just 'misinterpreting the friendship' or 'reading romance into everything' or 'reinforcing any close friendship has to be a romance'

since I've never ever seen that said about a male/female ship before.

I'm sure someone's going to pop up in the comments and correct me on the last part. and even if it is applied to male/female pairings occasionally that doesn't erase the icky feeling I get when I see it.

[diet_poison]

I feel this is in part because m/f couples/friends are often set up to wind up that way and their chemistry is intentional. But I still agree - ship and let ship, basically. If someone else ships people I prefer as friends, no matter their genders, it's no skin off my nose.

[(Anonymous)]

I was once in this fandom with a BNF who took every opportunity to rant about how non-canon slash couples were "disrespectful" and "ignoring the characters' canon sexual orientations" and "OMG YOU'RE RUINING THEIR FRIENDSHIP WHY CAN'T THEY JUST BE FRIIIIIIIENDS?!?"

But she wrote tons of fic about non-canon m/f couples, including characters who were just friends in canon.

I don't think she was very self-aware.

[nightscale]

Because we all know that the 'ideal' love between a man and a woman is romantic, and the 'ideal' love between two men(and two women) is platonic. How dare anyone think otherwise.

(It bothers me too, even more so that if you took the typical TV bromance(including lady friendships as well but I don't know if there's a different term for it) and flipped one of the genders everyone would expect them to hook up.)

[(Anonymous)]

It depends for me. I don't usually get upset unless someone seems to say it about all or most of the slash ships they come across. If it's just individual ships, I don't mind, because there are a good few slash ships out there that I genuinely don't see the chemistry for either (admittedly, usually the ones where the slash is also incest, but a few others as well). It's only when people seem to be saying that NO SLASH SHIP EVER can be valid that I start side-eying and/or screaming at people.

And I have seen actually seen quite a few people getting upset over male/female friendships getting railroaded into romantic relationships before. Mostly when it's the canon doing it (*has no feelings about recent events in Person of Interest, no, not at all*) rather than the shippers, but even in fandom (Doctor Who fandom, how's it hanging these days?).

Chemistry is subjective. I'm not going to raise a fuss if people don't want to ship individual pairings because they prefer the friendship. It's only once they start trending towards only denying slash ships that we start having a problem.

[(Anonymous)]

It has been expressed before, and as I said the other times, I often feel that way about m/f couples. Sadly, the shippers often seem to include the showrunners.

[philstar22]

people who ship relationships that are platonic F/M friendships in canon totally get this too. Not nearly as much, but we do get it. I don't understand it either way. Shipping a friendship doesn't mean you think friendships without romance are impossible, just that you'd like it if this particular relationship was also romantic in addition to a close friendship.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that one so rarely sees people saying shippers are mistaking m/f friendship for romance probably has something to do with the fact that close m/f friendship pretty much doesn't exist in the media.

[rapunzelita]

Joan/Sherlock in Elementary.

It is actually rarer, I'll grant you that. But it does exist.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never been in a fandom with siblings before...but now I am and yeah people misinterpret all kinds of things. It's kinda gross.


Though really the only problem I have is most of the time people are just trying to ship two hot people and trying to justify it in canon by just pulling "chemistry" out of their butt.

[(Anonymous)]

Same, OP but for a slightly diff reason. I don't get the whole shippers are "forcing romance into everything" argument for any ship, m/f, f/f, m/m.

By shipping something, you're not "forcing romance" into it. You just like their interaction/dynamic, the way their personalities go together, whatever and would like their romantic partnership. That doesn't mean you're mis-reading what's actually in canon/reality. You just like the thought of it.

(Disclaimer: of course i know there are people who do over-analyze canon and reality (tinhats, canon tinhats) but not talking about them)

Uhg, I suck at explaining my thoughts on things.

[(Anonymous)]

For me I get peeved at the "why can't they just be friends???" because for m/m and f/f pairings, they almost always ARE just friends in canon. If you want strong platonic friendships between two people of the same gender, you have tons and tons of canons to choose from, especially for male friendships. I could list "bromances" in pro media for days. Female friendships in media are not as plentiful because of the way media treats female characters in general, but I guarantee you that there are more female friendships than f/f romances in media. So it's like - what, having the majority of actual canon isn't enough for you?

Fandom is where people can play with and fantasize about things that won't actually happen in canon, and most of the time that includes m/m and f/f romances. It's irritating when people say "what about the friendship?" because fandom is one of the few spaces where people can write about gay relationships without any of the hand-wringing, the homophobia, or the prevention from higher-ups that happens when you make a TV show or film. No shit people are going to take advantage of that.