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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-02-05 06:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #2591 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2591 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
"did research go out of fashion or what"

Yeah kinda. These people can barely stick to canon characterization; actual research is way too much to ask of them.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. We all know that if there's a Jewish character in SnK, is Annie not Levi.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
because 'annie as a jew' is a hella racist joke from /a/.
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[personal profile] vethica 2014-02-06 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Doesn't mean people can't think she's Jewish for non-racist reasons.

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(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Oh oh oh oh oh PLEASE give me examples. I love seeing how tremendously ill-informed goyim can be.

(Until it turns into a blood libel thing, that is.)
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[personal profile] ill_omened 2014-02-06 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Please don't use racist terms nonny.

It's not okay to hang onto such an exclusionary cultural narrative.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
I refuse to accept goyim as being racist. It just means "people" and it isn't meant to be derogatory, even if it often seems to be used that way. Most of the time it's used affectionately.

Feel free to argue yourselves into the ground, I will not change my mind on this.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
I have to agree... Jews are a goy too, says so in the bible. "I will make you into a great goy" and all that

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(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Uh well, one just generally fucks with stuff, thinks that a defining characteristic of Judaism is mysticism, made the story of the golem of Prague all about love or someshit, and other general missing the point all over. Then there was the one with kiddush on Chanukah... Tbh I haven't found a decent one yet (that wasn't written by a Jew)

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
That sounds... slightly better-informed on Judaism than the main character in Borat. Slightly. And I say that as a person whose knowledge of Judaism comes primarily from Jewish friends, Mel Brooks movies, and Michael Chabon novels. So I'm very, very far from an expert, but... damn. I guess there's levels of ignorance I was unfamiliar with.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
They used mysticism as a replacement word for Jew, wasn't it? That's different.

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(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god, worst was that shit with the "tattoing"/scarring. I nearly threw my laptop across the room, I was so pissed off.
They basically wanted him to have a sexy scar so they decided that shitting all over the fact that scarification in Judaism is up there with NO NO STOP NO was the best way to go about it. Like, they literally had the character make up some bullshit thing about how this is ~meaningful and he's a bad Jew so whatever.
Why even bother making it a plot point if you're going to shit all over it? The issue of bodily integrity is super meaningful in Judaism because the body is a gift, they could have done something beautiful with it but no, he needs some sexeh scars amirite.
That was so fucking offensive. If you're going to use a culture, why would you ignore everything that's central to it???

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[personal profile] truxillogical 2014-02-06 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
Well, this is a Catholic weighing in, but if I know my fandom folks, then my guess is that he'll celebrate Hanukkah at the exact same time anyone else is celebrating Christmas, and that if it isn't wintertime, they'll find a way to reference Hanukkah anyway. Because, well...that's the Big Holiday, isn't it? Right? You guys do that Hanukkah thing, right? (Also, there may be Awkward Yiddish.) ((please read the sarcasm that the internet is not allowing me to properly convey))


Uuf...one of the reasons I'm spending as much time doing research on the Jewish religion/culture (esp of the early 1900's) as I am on gangster history for this bio-comic. But I'm still probably gonna screw up somewhere.
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[personal profile] ketita 2014-02-06 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Come cry in the corner with us, anon, you're not alone T^T

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
If we're talking about the fandom on Tumblr, research is the exception, not the rule.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
Ssssssssssssso. Any, uh. Any decent jewish!Levi fic recs, then? ..........................preferably with Erwin.
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[personal profile] vethica 2014-02-06 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
Remember the Days of the World is the only one I've read, but I quite enjoyed it.
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[personal profile] ketita 2014-02-06 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
(Remember the Days of the World) >///<

I was fond of this one, too: where you go and where you've been (made me sad, though).

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(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
Tumblr: where research and sources go to die.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
This. Don't get me started on all of these "disability headcanons" by people who obviously have no clue about how disability X actually works.
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[personal profile] blunderbuss 2014-02-06 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's a fucking catch-22 isn't it? I'm dying for something more interesting than the billionth highschool/college/coffeeshop AU but most of the time when someone tries they either don't even explore the concept or do terrible research.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-06 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
The only reason I have for not liking the "Jewish" headcanon is that, as far as we know, none of our great big religions are a thing in that universe, so why should Judaism be an exception. I'm not a fan of assigning religions to people in an AU where those religions apparently don't exist. Simply doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
But if someone wants to do it anyway they should really do their research.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-07 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know this particular fandom, but, are there really that few (other) Jewish fans? That surprises me. Also, I must point out that Judaism is very, very varied and flexible. Ask an Orthodox Jew, a Conservative Jew, a Reform Jew, a Reconstructionist Jew, etc. to describe their religion and you'll get very different responses. Belief in God is actually optional for many, as long as you live a moral life. Mysticism and Kabbalah? Just a fringe, really. Although the taboo around tattoos is pretty constant.

As a Jew, I do get a bit annoyed with 1) the frequent unspoken assumption that everyone is Christian; 2) the token insertion of Channukah as Christmas equivalent (Channukah is a very minor holiday which has just gotten inflated because of proximity to Christmas). Mostly I avoid reading fanfics during December because of this. Not a big deal.

If anyone needs it, I'd be happy to advise FWIW.