[ SECRET POST #2689 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2689 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 026 secrets from Secret Submission Post #384.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/cSzR2Ss.jpg?1

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know what you mean. It can get quite frustrating when people tag stuff just to... include it or get more views or whatever. Same thing with people tagging a pairing that then turns out to be "Oh, we dated way back -- but now I'm with so-and-so."

[(Anonymous)]

A-freaking-men, OP.

I get it; the comics continuity is huge and complicated and contradictory and has a real problem with douchebag gatekeepers. (I apologize for the latter part, and we're working on it.) It is totally okay if you don't want to delve into the fathomless dungeon of crazy that is the Marvel Universe. (It is also okay if you DO want to; we have a lot of fun in our fathomless dungeon of crazy.)

But hey, you don't have to. The MCU is right there, it's brand-new and relatively non-insane, it's designed to be totally accessible, and it's REALLY GOOD. Enjoy it! Use MCU events and characterization, they're terrific! Nobody will be upset at you!

Just don't say you're doing one thing if you're doing the other. That shouldn't be too much to ask.

[forgottenjester]

I feel ya. This is why when I write I only tag 'em with one thing.

[philstar22]

I agree. Character tagging is even worse, though. When someone tags a fic with every character that appears rather than just the ones featured, it makes it difficult when I'm looking for fics about specific fics. Especially when its characters that show up a lot in fics but aren't featured very often (been trying to find and read good, in-character Sauron-centric fics, but since so many fics are tagged its all but impossible to find).

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't the "all media types" tag for crossovers, anyway? So why tag all those things independently?

I think people just might need more explanation on what the various tags mean.

[kaijinscendre]

It sucks, but you just have to learn to deal. But it would really suck for a comic fan in the MCU world.

[souljelly]

Yep this bothers me too. You're not alone OP.

[elaminator]

I rarely look for fic centering around comics, but I can see how this would become frustrating very quickly. There is such a thing as over-tagging. (And tagging incorrectly.)

[(Anonymous)]

If I saw 'Iron Man (Comics)' and 'Iron Man (Movies)' on the same fic, I'd assume the fic was an inter-universe crossover, like an alternate dimension sort of thing. Just using elements from one in the other's setting would be more for author's notes, to my mind.

The 'all media types' and 'related fandoms' type tags are a bit different, maybe? I've only used 'Doctor Who & Related Fandoms', because for some reason AO3 distinguishes between Classic and NuWho despite them sharing a continuity (well, more or less), and also 'The Hobbit - All Media Types', because I was writing movieverse fic after the first movie but presuming the book ending (which in hindsight may not have been advisable), so I wanted to show both in the tags. So I tagged it 'The Hobbit (Jackson Movies)' and 'The Hobbit - All Media Types' to cover bases. I think those tags probably could be used for fic set in one continuity but drawing elements from another?

Leaving completely aside the advisability of doing that: setting things in one continuity but drawing elements from another, I mean. Sometimes it works, so long as you keep characterisation and canon events consistent with the continuity you're actually working with. I wouldn't include the second continuity as a fandom tag, though, because that signifies crossover to me.

[intrigueing]

Yes. So much. Your blue s!b comment is A REALLY BIG PEEVE for me especially, btw. Like, the difference between MCU!Steve/Tony and comics!Steve/Tony is the difference between Tallahassee and Timbuktu.

And not just in that fandom either. The meaning of the word "irritation" takes on a whole new dimension when you've been in the Sherlock Holmes fandom and have tried to filter for non-BBC!Sherlock fanfic.

Ao3 has issues

[skippydelicious]

That is Ao3 all over. Their system sucks at handling crossovers, multi-world fics, and fusion fics. Even the Pit of VOles does it better. A03 has really struggled to develop itself as readable archive. Its great if you are an original member who uses it either as your exclusive fic repository or as your primary one, but if you aren't part of the Ao3 fan-community it is nightmare. As a casual reader, it is just impossible to properly filter because of the poor tagging and categorization.

Yes, but that would be ~tag policing~.

[nyxelestia]

I am getting really sick of people shouting down any attempt to correct tags as "tag policing". Dude, those tags serve a purpose and you are undermining that purpose. >.<

I'm an MCU fan and I'm with you, OP.

[applemagpie]

Yes, I find this so annoying! The tagging at ao3, especially for Marvel stuff, can be such a mess. So many of the fics in the 616 tag are also tagged as MCU, and I have no idea if they're 616 fic, or what. The two canons are pretty damn different from each other.

[kallanda_lee]

I get what you mean, though I've there are writers (myself included) who sometimes sort of mesh film and comic canons.

[nightscale]

I read fic for both and can only agree, especially because I have different ships in each setting and so often I go to read fic and oops it's not comic!verse sorry(or I go to read MCU labeled fic and it's actually comic!verse, like what the hell).

[(Anonymous)]

lol what annoys me about this entire this is how this secret is worded like a fucking Tumblr confession.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. If both the fic is tagged as being for both the MCU and the comics I expect it to be a crossover and I'm likely going to be pretty annoyed if it's not (travelling to different universes is canon! why is not more fics for it?).

[(Anonymous)]

Wait a second. So it's a problem when someone writes MCU fic with comics elements and uses both MCU and comics tags. But it's also a problem when someone writes comics fic with MCU elements and doesn't use both MCU and comics tags? That complaint doesn't strike you as...slightly contradictory?

I mean, I recognize that from a pure numbers perspective, MCU fic overwhelms comics fic, and I do sympathize with your position. Still, I think it's rather hypocritical for you to demand that fusion fic with mostly MCU elements be tagged only as MCU, and that fusion fic with mostly comics elements be tagged both MCU and comics.

(That said. This won't help you with your second problem, but regarding your first, you can exclude fandoms from your search. In the Search within results textbox to the right, type either -"marvel cinematic universe" or NOT "marvel cinematic universe" and hit the Sort and Filter button, and that'll clear out a lot of the fusion fic for you.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes I see that is annoying. The frustrations build within you, bubble over, seep into your brain, invade your every waking thought. Toss and turn, curl your fingers round the sheets, grip them til they chafe. When you sleep you dream of Frankenstein's monster and mismatched canons, familiar characters with heads and torsos switched. Breasts on Stark. Iron on Rogers. Red, white, and blue constraining Widow like a spandex prison.

Drool on your pillow. No rest behind your eyes. Only nightmares.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you meant exposure, not exposition.

[dizmo]

Here, OP. This might help at least a bit:

616 fic with all the movie fic filtered out.

[(Anonymous)]

In a related note, I'm coming across a lot of fics that are given basically the same tag multiple times (Steve/Bucky, Barnes and noble, wintercap, winter soldier/captain America, James Buchanan Barnes/steve Rogers, and on and on).

People don't get the AO3 system. All of these tags are linked, so if someone does search the pairing under a different phrasing than you used, it will still go to the same place. You're not going to get any more hits by using every possible ship name.

So yeah, I feel you, op (and I've had the same problem you're having re multiple canons being mixed up too, in other fandoms though). I wish people would take the time to read the ao3 tag faq, or that ao3 would send a copy to each new user, even. Standardisation would be such an improvement.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yes. A thousand times yes. I like the MCU but I really miss comics fic and it's so hard to find these days. Marvel comics was my first fandom and I can barely find any fics - it's all MCU, even when tagged as comics.

[tenlittlebullets]

Argh, I feel you, OP. I'm a newb to MCU fandom and I've only just started slipping down into the comics abyss, so I haven't experienced the rage firsthand for this fandom yet, but it's fucking incredible how many variants of "Les Misérables - All Media Types," "Les Misérables - Victor Hugo," "Les Misérables - Musical," "Les Misérables - 2012 film," etc. people can dig up to slap on their fic and then not bother to tag the fact that it's generic modern AU, as though that should just be assumed as a given. Apparently mistagging it with every single version of canon is more important than tagging it with the canon it's actually in, which is "Stereotypical-college-student a2g fic with some French names pasted on."

And yeah, if you're writing in adaptation!verse, with adaptation!verse characterizations, and cherry-picking details from the source material to throw in, that's fine--hell, I'm outlining CA:TWS sequel fic that's specifically designed to make people who've read the comics think they know what's about to happen and then shit themselves when it doesn't--but you're still writing in adaptation!verse.