[ SECRET POST #2719 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2719 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Jared Leto, Doctor Strange]


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03.
[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$]


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04.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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05.
[Odd Thomas]


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06.
[Murdoch Mysteries]


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07. http://i.imgur.com/4VlZYj4.png
[porny, illustrated]


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08.
[Big Time Rush]


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09. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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10. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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11. [SPOILERS for OUaT]



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12. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]
http://i.imgur.com/U7UnmUI.png
[gore]


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13. [WARNING for abuse]

[Lie to Me]


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14. [WARNING for dub-con/non-con/etc]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]

[Rick and Morty]






























Notes:

Might be ANOTHER 12 am day. Response time will again be slow, sorry.

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Comments

[fscom]

14. [WARNING for dub-con/non-con/etc]
http://i.imgur.com/xWaoFHx.png

[(Anonymous)]

This could apply to any number of fandoms I've been in.

I kink on noncon and dubcon, but get creeped out by noncon and dubcon that don't know they're noncon or dubcon.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I wrote a really depressing fic once where one of the characters was pretty much guilt-tripped/emotionally manipulated into staying with and sleeping with the other character and the amount of 'this is so sweet' and 'oh well at least he still has Character B!!' comments had me seriously wtfing and wondering if the people reading it were reading a totally different fic...

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, if I see an author who I know writes and LOVES dubcon, I can't take them seriously when they bitch about stuff like Blurred Lines, etc. Because if you say a song "Totes contributes to rape culture," but then write stories featuring dubcon (and in the story it being A-OK) that young, impressionable people will be reading, you are a hypocrite.

[fingalsanteater]

Are you fucking for real? There is a vast difference between understanding you are writing dubcon and labeling it as such, and not understanding the meaning of consent. If an author writes dubcon without realizing it is dubcon, then, yes, I too would take issue with that. But if an author writes dubcon, realizes they write dubcon, and calls out others for not understanding consent, then how is that hypocritical? Others may have different definitions of "contributing to rape culture," but I think if you understand that what you are writing is about rape and you label it as such, then you are informing others of that fact and not contributing to "rape culture" by obscuring or misunderstanding the act that is occurring.

[diet_poison]

I don't know that it's fair to hold the author accountable for young, impressionable people reading fics that are M-rated. And as long as they're making it clear that what's going on ISN'T consent, tbh I think that's a good thing - people can see and go "oh this isn't consent" and understand that better (assuming you're writing it well).

Also, how is this any different than original authors writing dark things like rape and dubcon in their work? Or do you have an issue with that too?

[littlestbirds]

What do you mean by A-OK- do you think this even if they tag for dub-con and have an obvious dub-con kink? Impressionable young people have sexual fantasies, they're capable of understanding the difference between that and RL rape. And if they don't a tag pointing out that it's non-consensual might help them along.

[(Anonymous)]

fwiw, I agree. People are way too fucking eager to defend the fact they get off to the idea of rape.

[(Anonymous)]

What really bugs me is how they make it sound cuter with terms like noncon and dubcon.

[(Anonymous)]

+1. "Rape culture is real and harmful and needs to be abolished--except where my boner is affected." Hypocrisy at its finest!

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, it's always "fun" when we ignore the vast area of space between "wasted out of your tree" and "Yes! Fuck me! Fuck me now!"

[kallanda_lee]

All fic I've seen where someone was drugged out and sex ensued, was tagged as "dubcon" at the very least - so I'm guessing we run in different fandoms.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

My main fandom is infamous for not doing trigger warnings. Noncon usually comes up in the story description, but dubcon can sneak up on you.

[fingalsanteater]

People that don't understand dubcon or noncon creep me out. I would categorize "drugged sex" as noncon even, as the person s not in any state of mind to give consent (depending on the type of drugs and quantity). Having sex while under a love spell is usually dub or noncon, sex pollen is usually noncon, etc., etc. And, it's all rape. If the person doesn't have the mental faculties to consent, it's rape. Dubcon and noncon are just kink distinctions for fictional purposes.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the word rape implies a rapist. If two people are both affected by the sex pollen emitted by a nonsentient plant and have sex, then what?

[elaminator]

I've been in fandoms where people are very good at warning for dub-con and non-con, but no matter how good there's always at least a couple folks who don't bother or don't seem to understand what it is. If it's tagged as such I might read it, but if it's unwarned and the author doesn't realize what they're writing is non-con or dub-con...dnw.

(I always mention this but the most upset I've ever been over a fanfic was when I went in expecting consensual sex between two characters and got gang rape. Ugh.)

[(Anonymous)]

Same for my current fandom. It's very unsettling the themes that pop up repeatedly in fic but are written as romantic or just part of the road to romance.

This is actually my main beef with a/b/o fic - it's all dub-con or non-con but never labelled as such. But if someone goes into "heat" and is so out of their mind they cannot consent, and that seems to be the whole basis of the kink, which is fine, but own up to it being consent issues and stop trying to say it's romantic and fully consensual.

Sorry, went off on a tangent there, but this issue is a huge pet peeve of mine.

[littlestbirds]

Agreed. I think a/b/o can be considered synonymous with dubcon in the vast majority of fic, though. It doesn't bother me that they don't tag it. I already know to avoid it- they've done their tagging duty afaic.

[(Anonymous)]

Considering people going into heat isn't a real thing, I don't know if you can say they can't consent. All the "under the influence and incapable of consent" definitions in real life are scientifically proven and usually a result of drugs, so really, sex pollen and heat and all those could just have a blanket disclaimer of "totally horny but capable of consent."

Minus, you know, the stories that are openly about rape. Those should be clearly labeled.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree - but personally I wish fandom would understand that consent can be a little more grey than "POM-POMS OUT AND DOING CHEERS OF CONSENT!" or "They didn't consent enough!" Personally, my consent has never been the former, but I wasn't unwilling - just not that enthused since sex tends to bore me and is something I do for my partner's benefit.

Then again, I think we both have our hopes a little to high if we expect that from fandom.

[darkmanifest]

I've pretty much accepted that the majority of the romance and erotica fiction industries, fanfic included, don't really understand consent. Every goddman time I come across a sex scene, there's a good chance it's some form of dubcon and it wasn't intended to be that way. And I don't consider myself oversensitive to that stuff, I don't go in expecting it, I try to make excuses for it when I see it in something I was otherwise enjoying, but fuck me is it everywhere, and it bothers me way more than writers who embrace their rape fantasy kink with full awareness.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of writers are young and trying to figure out the whole sexy thing. What they see everywhere is that women are sex objects for men's approval. It's a fucking messed up society. So yes, a lot of people don't understand consent.

If you feel the urge to help, I think it would be awesome if there was a way to point this out to the young writers, without trying to make them feel bad, just get them to think about this. About why it's IMPORTANT to feel like you have control of your body, not that it's something for someone else's pleasure.

We need to talk about this more in every part of society till the idea of sex without enthusiastic consent is viewed the same way as cannibalism.

[nightscale]

It's not much better in published fiction either lets face it.