[ SECRET POST #2725 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2725 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i62.tinypic.com/efme6v.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Ramona Flowers WAS fucking lame though. All anybody did was talk her up and she did nothing to live up to her hype.

(speaking movie-wise, I wasn't interested enough to read the graphic novel or whatever it was).

[dethtoll]

To be fair the movie is a jumbled mess. A mess I love, but still a mess.

The comic does a better job fleshing her (and the other characters) out but that doesn't make her likeable. Neither does it for Scott, and that's the point -- the only ones who aren't a total fuckup in that comic is Kim Pine and Scott's sister Stacy.

[iceyred]

Wasn't that the point though? She wasn't that great, but Scott loved the idea of her more than he loved her?

(I thought their relationship was the most boring part of the movie anyway. Everyone else was more interesting and the gags were funny.)

[dethtoll]

I couldn't care less about Ramona. Call me when you need someone to stan for Kim Pine.

[(Anonymous)]

The difference is that one is intended to be a shitty human being and a trainwreck of a person and the other one is portrayed as a perfect girl.

[(Anonymous)]

Which one?

[rubbertea]

you forgot 'ridiculous name'

[(Anonymous)]

In all honesty that is the most reasonable aspect of the characters.

(there are dozens of websites dedicated to mocking bad baby names.)

Cue, not queue.

[(Anonymous)]

To queue is to form a line (of people waiting) or arrange a line-up of items and to cue is to prompt. Sorry, that particular mistake drives me bonkers.

You might be right about the comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

who is on the right

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's because I've only seen the movie, but yeah, I agree. Ramona Flowers came off as a really dull, flat character with no personality beyond her "quirky" appearance.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought Ramona was the best character in the comic. Not my personal favorite, but she had the best writing and felt the most like a real person. The movie didn't do her justice at all.

(I'm a girl, if it matters.)

[(Anonymous)]

Bella >>> Ramona

Yes, I went there.

[elaminator]

The evil exes were the best part of this film, imo. Scott wasn't likable, Romona wasn't likable...but it looked cool, and they deserve points for that at least.

[(Anonymous)]

It's "cue", not "queue".

[forgottenjester]

See, where I am no one likes her. So... yeah. Apparently you're basing this off a weird group. A lot of people don't like Ramona.

[ariakas]

I couldn't even watch this movie, the music was so horrible.

[(Anonymous)]

My problem with Twilight is that not only is Bella completely useless (but somehow perfect), but that her relationship with Edward is full-on abusive. And it's genuinely portrayed as an ideal relationship.
So we've got an impressionable audience of young girls who are just beginning to figure what they want in life and from other people, learning that this abusive, controlling, seriously unhealthy relationship is an ideal they should aspire to. I was in high school when the Twilight-mania hit. A couple of first year girls broke up with their boyfriends because they "needed to be more like Edward Cullen".
So, yeah, I have problems with Twilight specifically because of its intended demographic. Young girls need all the help they can get, especially when it comes to unhealthy relationships, and Twilight did the opposite of help.

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing interesting about Ramona was her hair. That's it.

[(Anonymous)]

The point of Ramona is she's not a great person, is kind of an asshole and her and Scott deserve each other.

The point of Bella is that the author was bitter over never getting the hot guys in school and that's why Bella's written description is literally a young, pretty Meyer.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a couple of differences here you're not acknowledging:

Twilight is written from Bella' perspective. She's the main character. Her being boring as a bag of rocks is a big issue. Ramona, however, is the love interest. Being boring is still an issue, but it doesn't break a series, or even a character as much as it would if she were the main character.

Because she's not the main character, she can be an ideal for audience (who are presumed men) to desire. A better parallel with Ramona is actually Edward Cullen.

And then, of course, Ramona is kind of an asshole. Her negative qualities are intentionally there. The problem with the movie is that it just doesn't establish why she's all that desirable, but I think you can still pick up this idea Scott wants her because, to him, she's exotic and interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a brilliant secret, OP. I cannot stand Ramona Flowers for these exact reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought that was the whole point of Romana Flowers. From her name to her looks to her personality, she was a play on the whole pixie dreamwhatever and also purposely using all of those qualities you listed to point out how Scott idealised her when really she was a shitty person. The difference is the writing is aware of that, wheras Twilight legit thought Bella was amazing and not a trope at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I just watched Scott Pilgrim for the first time last night. The question posed after was "Knives or Ramona?" and I said Scott could go be lame with Ramona because Knives was literally too awesome for such a boring guy.

Seriously, Ramona was fucking boring as shit.