[ SECRET POST #2755 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2755 ⌋

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Comments

[arcadiaego]

That's the point. We shouldn't have to. Jennifer Lawrence is very pretty but the character doesn't WANT to look like that.

[(Anonymous)]

She doesn't want to look gorgeous. She wants to look blue. IDK, but I can't sympathize with her. She's a fucking shapeshifter, she can look whatever she wants, whenever she wants. That's such an amazing ability, I can't fathom why you'd join an anti humanity brigade over it.

[arcadiaego]

You're missing the point entirely. It doesn't matter whether you want to look blue or like Jennifer Lawrence, the character wants to be herself, and she can't.

[(Anonymous)]

She can be whatever she wants, whenever she wants to. Literally.

[arcadiaego]

She can't be open about being a mutant and walk down the street looking her true self, no.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yeah, if she and her friends wouldn't kill humans and stuff, that might be less of a problem over time. But nah. I wanna be blue and people are mean about it. Let's kill them! Yeah, my sympathy OOZES over here.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure humans were killing mutants first, the mutants were only fighting back.

[arcadiaego]

This thread just sounds like one of those 'if gay/black/trans people were nicer to us they wouldn't be oppressed!' Tumblr posts to be honest.

[arcadiaego]

It's not about her wanting to be blue, it's that Erik's side of the debate thinks humans will kill them, due to their massive history of killing anyone who's different to them, which many of them have direct experience of. Charles' side is the peaceful 'let's all be nice to each other and change will happen because everyone is good at heart' side. Things happen that make both sides sympathetic which is why the conflict exists? Idk how you can think it's about someone killing people because they can't be blue if you've watched the films, they're pretty unsubtle metaphors.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't sympathize with Erik's side. They're reckless idiots and their behavior annoyed me to no end. Things happen that may have made both sides sympathetic to you, but not to everyone. Personally, I just wanted to bitchslap them.

[(Anonymous)]

See, this I can understand. I get a LOT of "You'd be so pretty if..." and it's true. I could put out a little effort and be a very, very pretty woman.

That's the thing. My 'blue' is 'male'. I'm transgendered. Female to Male. So, I sympathise with Mystique base wants. She wants to be blue, and accepted as she walks down the street. She wants to be who she was born as!

So do I. The difference between her and me is that I wouldn't hurt anyone to try to do this, and she appears to be more than happy to hurt people.

[arcadiaego]

Yeah, I understand their anger but overall I'm on Charles' side, not Erik's. Starting to see the other side as not mattering just because they think *you* don't matter never ends well.

[nyxelestia]

I don't support Erik's side or Raven's choices, but that doesn't mean I don't sympathize with their dilemmas, or understand why they made those choices in the first place. We can believe their oppression is legitimate without supporting their reactions to that oppression.

[(Anonymous)]

OP (and NAYRT)

I'm ugly as sin; maybe a 3. With some effort maybe I can get to a 5. I don't even bother to try and prettify myself, it's not worth the effort. I'd still like to smash every mirror in existence. I don't want to look like myself. Hell, I'd like to just get one fucking day looking like JLaw.

You and everyone in this thread are missing MY point.

[(Anonymous)]

So in short, you're jealous.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes, that's perfectly justified, actually. So if you think that's an effective put-down to OP and their feelings, think again.

You have no right to your pain, is what you are saying. What a nasty attitude.

[(Anonymous)]

hey OP. If you are not a troll, let's just say you have company in your supposed hideousness. I'm a short, fat, cis female who happens to have nearly as much body hair as her very hirsute male relatives. I suppose if I ever wanted to cosplay a Tolkien Dwarf I could grow out my beard and mustache. Pity about the not-so-happy trail and the hairy boobs. Shaving nets me not so much five o'clock shadow as ten-in-the-morning shadow, waxing involves bruises that last until the hair grows in again, which takes about a week. I am not the kind of fat woman who has an hourglass figure with a comparatively little waist and a nice ass and round hips and big boobs--speaking of trolls, I more or less have the physique of a troll doll, minus the big eyes and the smile--bandy legs, big potbelly, the works. I have missing teeth--and speaking of mutants, that's the result of a genetic fuckup; when my adult teeth started coming in, it turns out some of them just didn't exist. And on the other hand, in some places I had extra teeth come in, so I looked like a shark before they were pulled. I had pizza face acne for decades; now I'm down to blackheads, the occasional whitehead, and some truly disgusting scarring. Oh, and wrinkles and splotchy skin. I've been kissed precisely twice by non-relatives--both kissers were dared to, the way kids dare each other to kiss toads. Once I was followed for two blocks by a pack of creeps literally baying, barking, and howling at "the dog lady." I wasn't walking a dog, I didn't own a dog. Apparently, thanks to all the hair or possibly just general hideousness, I was the dog.

Your attitude that "how dare (fictional) pretty people want to look different", and all the vitriol you're throwing around, are still gross, because from the sound of it you're jealous of and resent people you think are pretty for existing, but you'd still judge them if they decided they didn't want to be your or society's ideal of beauty.

No-one should have to conform to such strict standards of beauty, including you. And you're actively supporting a worldview that hurts you more than it hurts "the beautiful people." Being ugly sucks, I know. But so does stewing in jealously and resentment all the time. I hope some day you do all the stuff you'd do if you looked like Jennifer Lawrence, because I hope your fantasy included more than letting everyone ogle you.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow you are amazing. Honestly. I can't believe no one commented on this. What you said is so thoughtful and hopeful. You are awesome.

[(Anonymous)]

I know you probably won't see this because I'm a little late to the party but...

I wanted to let you know that this post changed my life a little.

I have spent my entire life afraid to go out in public, to show my face to friends or strangers alike, because of how I look. Because I didn't conform to beauty standards.

I dropped out of high school because I didn't want people to see me.

I felt ugly inside and out.

I didn't understand that most girls my age wore makeup and maybe if they didn't I wouldn't look so terrible in comparison. I didn't know makeup and tailored clothing and professional haircuts were some of the 'remedies' I could prescribe myself in order to make going outside more tolerable.


I hope some day you do all the stuff you'd do if you looked like Jennifer Lawrence, because I hope your fantasy included more than letting everyone ogle you.

This line meant so much to me.

I've spent my entire life waiting to look like a real person. Waiting for my acne to go away. Waiting for my severely underweight body to put on some weight. Waiting for my hair to not be so ugly, and my clothes to look like everyone else's.

And the only thing any of that would accomplish is allowing people to ogle me.

Sure, it would give me confidence but being pretty is not required for doing what I want with my life. It's just not required.

Thank you.

I hope you are well. You are a very intelligent person and it means a lot that you typed this post.

[arcadiaego]

I hope you're seeking some help for the intense feelings of self hatred you have. I can see why you wouldn't care that a character despises looking like that, if you have such irrationally strong feelings against your own appearance, but it doesn't change the fact that she does despise it, and that the argument is we should be able to be accepted in our natural state if we want to be. Mystique would actually be on your side.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with that idea is that one of the central conceits of the entire fictional work is that mutants have it harder than humans. We're essentially being told that this character, who can look like whomever she wishes to whenever she wishes to, suffers more from societal beauty standards than any human woman. Which is both inaccurate and, quite frankly, insulting.

She'd make a better metaphor for the unfair standards pushed on women if she weren't a shapeshifter - if it was a case of be herself and blue and be scorned and potentially attacked, or wear uncomfortable/inconvenient prosthetics/holographic whatsits/whatever.

(Basically, the metaphor would work better if she was Nightcrawler.)

[(Anonymous)]

get over it fatty

[(Anonymous)]

OP

THANK YOU! You elucidated the point better than I could.

[(Anonymous)]

You're still disgusting, and it has absolutely nothing to do with how you look. It has to do with the fact that you hate other people for how they look, and you're so self-absorbed that you can't see how that's a problem.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for wording this so clearly. Not that the Mystique defenders will ever get it, but eh.