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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I respect vegeterianism, although I am not one myself and don't agree with the reasoning, but I do think that it's a little odd to be fine with the show while it was (presumably) using meat and then draw the line and consider it absolutely morally abhorrent when it's calf brains and foie gras.

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand drawing the line at fois gras, as it's made by forcefeeding the poor birds. Calf brains on the other hand...not sure what it is that makes it a worse thing than meat in general.

[kallanda_lee]

Yes, came here to say that. I understand foie gras being an issue because of how it's produced, so to say. But cows are being killed for other parts as well - if you're okay with steak, well that comes from the same place as those brains. I understand it might squick some people, but objectively there's not much difference.

If you're against meat in general, watching cooking shows will give you a hard time. If not, it's a hypocritical to pick and choose which meat is acceptable.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, fair enough.

I think there's something to be said for the argument that if forcefeeding the birds is bad, then killing them is probably bad too. But I wouldn't insist on that. The calf brains part of it is perplexing enough as it is.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'd argue that just straight up killing the animal in a swift manner would be a lot more humane than the stress of that feeding process. But that's just me.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. The calf gets eaten anyway, so I think (even though I am squicked by it like woah) using every part of the animal is actually the proper thing to do. Foie gras is a different matter.

Brains are gross

[(Anonymous)]

That's why I'd refuse to watch a cooking show where they're cooking calf brains. Pure ick factor.

Re: Brains are gross

[(Anonymous)]

I wish I felt safe eating brains, because they look fucking delicious

[grausam]

well, I heard horror stories of some calfs getting starved to keep the meat tender n shit... don't know if that's appliable to their brain though.

it's probably calf brain to minimize the BSE risk.

[anonymous4]

I believe it's that they're kept in boxes to keep the meat tender -- the boxes are so small they can't move, so they don't develop their muscles.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people hear "forcefeeding" and recoil, but... if we were honest, how is forcefeeding worse than how most animals are processed for meat, or how chickens are kept in battery farms for their eggs? At Hudson Valley (which I think is the only large scale foie gras producer in the U.S. at the moment), at least the birds aren't kept in cages.

I'm an omnivore, BTW. I accept that there's a certain amount of ugliness that supplies the food I eat, but I don't think there's a huge difference between foie gras and an omelet when it comes how the animals themselves are treated.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm a vegan and I was wondering why calf brains in particular is so much worse than any other kind of meat that comes from a cow (or any other animal). Fois Gras I can understand, but calf brains just seems like a random thing to single out.

If it's because it comes from a young animal then that doesn't make sense either since most chickens, pigs, and lambs (of course) are usually only a few months old when they're killed for meat too. Maybe calf brains are a by-product of veal and that's why it's so terrible (idk if that's actually the case, but it's the only logical thing I could think of)?

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm... maybe it's the "baby cow" thing? I know some folks are squeamish about eating stuff like lamb.

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's that strange to not want to support/watch it anymore. You can eat meat and still try to be responsible about it -- like only buying free-range eggs, for example.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see why it's odd. There's an exceptional level of cruelty (even above and beyond what you see in factory farming) associated with the production of veal and foie gras. It doesn't seem like a strange distinction to draw at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Above and beyond factory farming? Really? Please do go on... How much do you know and have you seen about factory farming?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I think what goes into the production of veal and foie gras isn't any worse than what goes on in factory farming, but most kinds of meat can be produced without factory farming.

[tree_and_leaf]

Veal isn't necessarily cruel. Rose veal is no worse than any other meat. White/ crated veal is produced under cruel conditions and I won't buy it. But I have no issue with rose veal.

I don't know how widely available rose veal is in Canada, though. It used to be virtually impossible to find in the UK, but it's become easier, and now I can make saltimbocca...

I wouldn't eat calf brains, however, because I remember BSE.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not the OP (nor am I vegetarian), but I draw the line at food that can only be achieved through the suffering of animals. Therefore, I refuse to eat and watch cooking shows that use meat like foie gras and veal. Not sure about calf brains, I've never seen it used on a show or on a menu, but I can understand why someone would draw the line where OP did.

[rubbertea]

>can only be achieved through the suffering of animals
>veal

???

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

That was probably poor word choice on my part. I was having a hard time figuring out how to phrase it. More like, I know the controversy surrounding it and I can't be sure the animal was not raised in that horrible way. I tend to avoid eating young animal meat in general just because it makes me feel sad that they didn't get to live a longer life.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a way out of date reference to veal crates. Veal is not necessarily produced this way.

[(Anonymous)]

The calf is separated from the cow after birth and is raised on milk replacement(?), resulting in a very light meat. I guess that's where the part about calf nrains come in as it's probably a byproduct of the veal industry.

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.mspca.org/programs/animal-protection-legislation/animal-welfare/farm-animal-welfare/factory-farming/cows/veal-calves-on-a-factory-farm.html

[diet_poison]

Yeah, the foie gras thing is a specific kind of abuse that's different from other kinds of meat. Not entirely sure about the calf brains, though maybe if it's connected to veal? (veal calves are deliberately atrophied)