[ SECRET POST #2950 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2950 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 065 secrets from Secret Submission Post #422.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

I was on the metro today and all I could see was men and women manspreading. You've fucking ruined me F!S

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[cloud_riven]

Can we have a "Things F!S Ruined For You" thread? Because fs basically ruined luggage cases for me. Ever since I read a secret about a fic writer getting lugged around in one for research, I always accidentally factor that into a buying decision.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

O_O Now that's dedication to your craft!

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[othellia]

F!S RUINED HUSKIES FOR ME. >:[


jk i still love them, they are the greatest

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[khronos_keeper]

YOU'RE WELCOME. It's an important social construct of dominance, so it's good that you noticed this! :D

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously?

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[cloud_riven]

Pssssst. Sarcasm.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a relief. I don't know khronos_keeper very well, so I wasn't sure.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

I asked this yesterday but I didn't get any great answers so I'm asking it again.

It's generally and rightly accepted in these conversations that it's improper for men to assume that they can understand the lived experiences of women, that the better thing to do is to listen to what women have to say about those experiences. How then has everyone apparently decided that they're totally competent to make judgments about something that's pretty much an experience that's kind of specific to men? Doesn't the same logic apply here?

And just to be clear, I don't really care about the manspreading thing itself, and I don't think this is some massive injustice or anything like that. I'm honestly just curious why there seems to be this difference.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Hypocritical double standards. Anybody can have them!

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

Bullshit.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Really? That's the response your going to give? You realize how vague my statement was? I'd challange you to find any person on earth that doesn't have at least once of these about something. Do you just really believe that only women can have thoughts about the other gender neo rad!fem anon, or do you just dislike me and my presumed penis so much that I cannot possibly be right?

I'm glad your back, or if new, as active as you are. You were missed.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

Explain? What judgements are women making about about men? that they take up more space than they need? because they clearly do. I don't know why you're trying to defend these dudes?

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

The judgment of how much space a person physically needs to take.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

We can see men in various situations all through viewable time sitting like courteous human beings. That men are able to take up a decent amount of space is not some arbitrary judgement. it is provable.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

The best answer I can come up with is that women, from a very early age, are shown the male perspective far more than men get a woman's perspective.

For example, I think you'll find that the average woman on the street knows that men watch porn and that a lot of men like lesbian porn in particular.

But few men (comparatively) seem to realize that things like kink memes exist or that women like slash (the number of men on imgur.com, for instance, that are SHOCKED when I mention that lots of women think man-on-man sex is hot is staggering).

Junot Diaz, for example, once said that most women can write a pretty decent male character. While a lot of men struggle to write a passable female character.

I do think society is changing and that's why it's frustrating for a lot of men to have these discussions, but I do think that, historically, the view of men as "the default" has given women much greater insight into the life of the average man than men have ever had of women.

Hope that makes some sense.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for your answer.

The problem that I have with this argument is that, by this logic, there is some amount of time of paying attention to women etc where a man could have the ability to comment authoritatively on these kinds of things. And that doesn't seem like an argument that's either valid, or likely to be accepted by many people.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhhh... I'd say that women are shown A male perspective, not THE male perspective. And that perspective is sharply limited and does not reflect the lived experiences of a majority of men.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[ketita]

Because in this case women can look around and see the BILLIONS OF MEN who have no problem sitting with their legs together or cross-legged, and so the argument that men ~need the space~ is spurious.

If men make an argument about their personal experiences which cannot be easily disproved by the existence of everything ever, it should be taken seriously.

In addition, this is a bad example because it is about something physically provable. It's not about emotional experiences etc.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[ginainthekingsroad]

F!S ruined soap dishes for me.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

I have to admit, when I'm in the shower sometimes, I look at the bar over the soap dish and think, "I hope if I fall, I don't instinctively grab for that."

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[caerbannog]

I actually thought last night 'thank god this shower doesn't have a soap dish'. Some things just stay with you.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

I kinda feel like between the Manspreading, manslamming, and a whole load of other shit I've caught up with online, that the main goal is to attack and shame men. Finding a legitimate thing to put after the word "Man" is just a formality.

Re: Fuck you Fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

They're so dumb that I half-suspect they're from misogynists trying to troll feminists by getting them to agree with obvious nonsense. (Which we do know happens.)

Seriously, manslamming in particular sounds like the worst strawman caricature of feminism ever.