[ SECRET POST #3159 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3159 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Knights Errant]


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[HeadOn]


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06. [SPOILERS for Tales of the Abyss]



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07. [WARNING for rape]



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08. [WARNING for sexual assault/harassment]



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09. [WARNING for child sexual abuse]


















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Comments

[fscom]

08. [WARNING for sexual assault/harassment]
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[(Anonymous)]

Your example is a bit extreme, but in theory I agree. Let people squee, don't tag your hate, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

Jesus Christ I never knew any of that. Now I do know that I say fuck him, I don't care if he is your fav, he's not just problematic he's a fucking monster.

[(Anonymous)]

He was high as kite during the sex tape too.

[(Anonymous)]

Man, if you were talking about fangirls squeeing about fictional villains, I'd have your back on this... but I think the SJWs have a point when it comes to real-life rapists.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh.....nah, I think that should be known to people.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually get where that person on tumblr is coming from. A lot of people unknowingly give their money to rapists and abusers and other monsters, even though they might consciously decide not to if they were aware. It's good to let them know about stuff like that so they can make an informed decision to support that creator's work or not.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

For this reason, I don't have much of a problem with blogs like "Your Fave is Problematic" (even if I personally find a few of the "problematic" things listed a bit ridiculous). I don't see it as telling people they can't like those people, I see it as putting the stuff people MIGHT object to out there so people can make an informed decision about whether to like and support them.

I don't like it when people act like someone is a shitty person for liking a celebrity, especially if they didn't know the bad things the celebrity did, though.

[(Anonymous)]

But a decision is no more informed if the information is coming without context. Two teens send sexts to each other can be charged with distributing child open and labeled sex offenders, for instance. Does that mean thwy're horrible people? No. But if all anyone ever says is "don't like them, they're kiddie porn sex offenders" they're missing a giant piece of context.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who never checks cast lists and such, even if I was told that ___ is a rapist, I may still watch some of their works because of the way I choose what to buy.

It makes me a bad person?
I guess tumblr some people may think so, but I like to focus in the fact I'm supporting all the other people that worked creating that work instead of worrying so much.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, he has been introduced to a whole new generation of fans thanks to his more recent roles. Most of his newer fans genuinely might not be old enough to remember/know about the tape or circumstances surrounding it.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure I agree with the "stick your head in the sand" approach to being a fan. You say it's harmless fun, but for some reason I don't think you'd be defending, for example, a fan of Roman Polanski, assuming this hypothetical fan didn't know about what he did.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm more of a 'stay in your own lane' kinda person. If someone likes a problematic celebrity then it's on them. I don't have to like said celebrity or condone the fans support, but I'm not gonna try to dictate what they should and shouldn't like nor am I gonna try to shame them.

Unless their support directly brings harm to me or my family, it's none of my business how they live their life.

[(Anonymous)]

I see where you can argue that sticking your head in the sand isn't a good idea but why is it a good idea to condemn people for not magically knowing stuff? Can't you inform without making the uninformed person feel like they've committed an irredeemable sin?

[(Anonymous)]

He hasn't exactly been my favorite person ever since I read Melissa Gilbert's Wikipedia page.

(I just checked it right now and I don't know if it was an edit or I just remembered it sounding worse than it looks on there now.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, this may be a minority opinion, but I don't think a man should be punished for statutory rape if she said she was older and he had no reason to doubt her.

I also don't think it should be considered rape if both parties were drunk/high. Unless one of them was impaired against their will, they are both responsible.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

Now, the sexual harassment, he can be blamed for. But how is he supposed to know that she's lying about her age? Be psychic?

[(Anonymous)]

It is your fucking responsibility to know the age of the person you're sleeping with. "Teehee of course I'm 18!" is not acceptable.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing that I always wonder, that no one ever addresses is, has he done this recently? Has he apologized? Has he changed? Is he sorry? If so, who are we to condemn someone who has seen their error of their ways? Once an asshole does not mean always an asshole. People grow and learn from mistakes. Even their douchebaggy fucking-up-the-lives-of-others mistakes. That's why people on death row get religion.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, back when this happened, he went on the whole apology tour and then went away for awhile.

Didn't this happen at the Democratic National Convention (not Obama's, but back in the 80's)

[(Anonymous)]

He got paddled for it on live national television, if that helps. By Dana Carvey.

[(Anonymous)]

That guy is an asshole, but I agree. Tumblr finds the smallest slight against their worldview and attacks you for liking said slighter. "OMG they didn't know there's fifty genders?! Crucify them!" "ONG they didn't know everything is a trigger and has to be trigger warning'd appropriately?! KILL HIM!"

[(Anonymous)]

I think in that case it's not bad to bring something like that up, but what I hate is the cutesy twee way the reblogger did it. Just say flat-out what he did without any mockery of the OP's word choices. Or implied mockery of the fact that OP didn't know something an actor did 10/20 years ago.

[iggy]

I get you in some situations, but this is pretty awful shit. It should absolutely be brought up. Rape and sexual assault is horrific.

[(Anonymous)]

The sexual harassment is shitty and he deserves to be condemned for that (and 12 times holy shit). But everyone getting up in arms about the sleeping with a 16 year old is ridiculous because she lied and he was also under the influence. Not to mention the age of consent is state dependent and there is a reason we have a Romeo & Juliet clause. So all this pearl clutching is ridiculous given it's only a four year difference and high schoolers do stupid shit like this pretty damn frequently.