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⌈ Secret Post #3159 ⌋

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Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Was hoping not to be one of the first poster on here, but oh well. So with the recent murder of Alison Parker my circle has become abuzz with the discussions of men committing mass shootings and gun violence committed against women. What do you all think? Why are mass shootings so much more common among men than women? Please don't say "Toxic Masculinity" unless you are willing to follow it up by drawing some direct iron-clad and very easy to follow lines that lead to this conclusion (I do agree many men are guilty of toxic masculinity but I have never had its link to gun violence explained adequately People just say "This is toxic masculinity" and walk away like they just dropped the mic or something). I do know women are capable of violence, but why is it this type of violence seem to be explicitly in the wheelhouse of men?

TW suicide

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Not touching on shooting others but on the topic of men and guns, I think it's worth pointing out that men are also more likely to use guns on themselves as a suicide method too. Which supports the idea that men are more likely to use guns for whatever reason

Re: TW suicide

[(Anonymous)]

Is that true? I don't know if I believe that about men being more likly to use guns on themselves, but if it is true, why do you think that is?

Re: TW suicide

[ariakas]

I'm p sure men commit the vast majority of crimes in general. It's either because they're daring superior risk-takers upon whom the weight of the world rests and tiny ladybrains just can't understand, or because they're morally defective violent testosterone-poisoned scum, depending on which side of the ARGH GENITALS ARE WHAT MATTER MOST IN LIFE spectrum you ask.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Completely unsupported by any data but I've heard some people posit the idea that it comes from the fact that women "don't like to make a mess" to leave other people to clean up and so tend to favor poisoning and stuff like that. I'm sure that's not all of it and definitely won't apply to everyone but it's an idea.

It might have to do with the social component often put on women - to care about others and be worried what people think, etc.

This might be outdated though.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Supposedly, female murderers are more likely to use things like poison than physical violence, and this can extend to suicide (taking pills rather than shooting oneself).

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Could be. Seems a little old fashioned, but it could be those old fashioned ideas still seeping into our brains telling us we need to be lady like.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Women are increasingly using more violent - and more effective - means of suicide. Statistically in Australia anyway.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

This may be totally unfounded, but I think it might have something to do with how men are socialized to "do" way more than "think" or "feel" or "express". Women are valued for how they look, and men, comparatively, are valued by society for what they do or can do or what they have achieved. The idea of "doing" and "taking action" is held in high regard, and the idea of not "doing" is something that's looked down on.

Society values men that "do" things, and using a gun or being violent is "doing" something in the eyes of these guys. Men get told all the time: you have feelings? Do something about them. You have a problem? Fucking do something instead of crying and whining about it. You have ideas or thoughts? What the fuck does that matter unless you're going to do something about them? Shut up and do.

And what is more decisive and action-oriented than something instant and irreversible like using a gun to shoot yourself or other people?

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

^ The same reason that a lot of dudebros don't take things like lit or fine art seriously - lol feelings, amirite, what a wimp - and why men judge each other on how much money they make or how many women they've had sex with. "What have you done? Prove me your worth with your actions." Imo, anyway.

Re: Men with guns

[aenrhien]

Men are more likely to work out their problems violently, either through punching or some form of weapon, while women often prefer less violent methods, such as smothering or poisoning. I can't recall if I've read any research that explains why (there's probably plenty in my writing notes, I just can't be bothered to wade through it right now), so it's not exclusive to guns exactly, it's just violence in general.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

well, if you ask the vocal feminists they will say 'men are violent animals' and if you ask the vocal mras they will say 'women deserve it' or makes some excuse abut women being violent in more stealthy ways.

but the truth as i see it is that it comes down to mental illness. these shooters are mostly male because when men have severe mental illness their 'toxic masculinity' compels them to not seek help, it get's worse, rage shame and hate build up and then they hit out. that's why these stories end in the shooter killing themselves.

i am not trying to paint men as victims or anything, but toxic masculinity is not just something 'men are guilty of' it's something that also harms them, even if it's perpetrated by men and even if it harms women worse and more directly and in greater numbers then it does men, it's not as simple as 'men are murderers'

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

if you ask the vocal feminists they will say 'men are violent animals'

Please don't strawperson.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

-but the truth as i see it is that it comes down to mental illness.-

well, keep losing yourself while being a condescending person. not the ideal power on responsibility. Then again, most of us weren't known by other,so....

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Partially, a sense of entitlement that they can drastically effect others' lives, even sometimes to the point of taking them. A sense of outrage that they are not given what they feel they're entitled to. A well-worn path learning and being disinhibited from very young that violence solves problems. Being less likely to/being shamed from seeking emotional support from/admitting vulnerability to others.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Apart from everything mentioned up thread, dudes are also just way more in love with guns in general. They're more likely to have a collection of them that they practically masturbate over.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

I can explain toxic masculinity in relation to all the fucked up things men do in 5 simple but true words: Testosterone is literally a poison.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if you're being hyperbolic, but this might be literally true! There's a number of studies out there that point to the idea that testosterone might be a harmful chemical that damages the bodies ability to function and the brains ability to develop. It's bee compared to nicotine being introduced to young people.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Mmmm essentialism. Trans men often say they feel CALMER with T though, not a sudden urge to go out and kill shit.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Men are usually more used to having guns around (hunting, shooting for sport, other hobbies or professions that are connected to gun use), so they probably think of guns as the first alternative more often than women who have never even held one in their hands.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

So no-one is going to point out to you that women were only 1 third of the people he shot, and 1 half of the people he killed? You're 'Circle' is shitty if they're turning this into a 'Men vs Women' thing.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

A woman was the motivation behind that attack.

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

Because men are taught (at least in my culture) that they're better than women. That women are "property". That men are entitled to women. Women are taught that they are worthless without men. Boys are taught to respect and seek power.

So when a woman refuses a man, that man feels entitled to decide what happens to that woman.

A lot of men commit acts of violence against women because of this. I don't think guns are always the first choice. It's just that when guns are used, there are more casualities, so people pay more attention.
Guns are easy... all you need to do is pull a trigger. Knives and fists only work if you're fast and strong enough. They're easier to run away from, harder to land a deadly blow with.
With a gun, you don't have to get close. You can see your victims as targets, not as people. It's fast.
More importantly, nowadays guns are easier to obtain than they have been in the past. Guns are somehow acceptable, even in places where they're illegal... People respect guns more than they respect human lives, because guns are seen as the ultimate tool for domination.

Re: Men with guns

[ill_omened]

Probably the same thing that makes men responsible for 99% of violence. I'm extremely hesitant to buy into any of the standard far left responses (it's about power, entitlement etc etc just don't hold up when you start comparing rates of violence to different demographics of men).

Re: Men with guns

[(Anonymous)]

male entitlement, a culture that teaches men the only emotions they're allowed to have are aggressive emotions, a culture that doesn't emphasize empathy as a trait that needs teaching to little boys so much as it is needed for little girls, media portrayal of guns being a solution to male problems... etc