[ SECRET POST #3189 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3189 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/Rzmw4l1.png

[herpymcderp]

[(Anonymous)]

[(Anonymous)]

You're not alone. I could never tell someone I know IRL that I write fic.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Me neither. Fandom is like fight club.

[diet_poison]

You don't have to share your interest in fandom with the rest of the world. But being judgy when someone else does it does kind of make you the fun police and it makes you sound arrogant and insecure.

Why should you say anything to this person? (Unless the writing group critique is for original fic only which would actually make sense but not from a Fandom Is Bad standpoint. Or unless it's a porny fic and the group doesn't do explicit which would also be understandable but again, that's not Fandom Is Bad.)

[(Anonymous)]

You don't have to tell someone that you were embarrassed for them, or judged them. Despite how it is on the internet, in real life, that's really uncalled for and rude. What will it accomplish, other than letting someone else know that you disapproved of what they did, and make them feel bad because you think they should.

If you feel like you can tell them this? That's good. Because you shouldn't. Unless they were hurting someone with it, there's no need.

[(Anonymous)]

HAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, the person that took that to a writer's group has balls. Like, major balls. Secondhand embarrassment makes sense.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah online's fine, but irl's a different story. It's the main reason I can't go to conventions.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh I don't get this "don't talk about fandom outside of the internet or it's cringey and weird and I judge you" bullshit.

Look if you find it so embarrassing that you feel like you shouldn't talk about fandom outside the internet, that's your problem. I don't give a fuck about some arbitrary rule about what I'm allowed to admit about my hobbies.

I sometimes talk a bit about stuff I like with people, things I enjoy, current events or whatever. I don't go into detail about awkward things like ships and smutfic, but I don't see why discussing media I love is somehow abnormal and weird.

[elaminator]

but I don't see why discussing media I love is somehow abnormal and weird.

I don't understand that either, though I don't think that's what OP is saying. (I wonder if the fic in question was smut fic, or if the writing group had any rules about what they could submit for critique. I can understand not being a fan, but unless the person in question 'broke the rules' then...*shrugs*.)

As far as 'talking about media in public', unless you are bringing fandom up constantly, into topics that are not even remotely related then I don't see the problem. People generally enjoy talking about what they like...if that piece of media is something you're passionate about it only makes sense to me you might want to discuss it.

I wouldn't ask anyone (outside of fandom, obviously) fandom specific questions unless I knew they were interested in the fandom itself (and maybe not even then; it would depend on the person and our relationship), but people should do what makes them happy.

[(Anonymous)]

I think bringing fandom up in RL around other fans, and maybe even in some spaces fandoms related, it's ok.

But... some people just push fandom into everything and everyone, which can get awkward to everyone around specially when the stuff they bring up is NSFW. So I kinda get what you mean.

[ketita]

Ouch, so much secondhand embarrassment :X

I agree with the others that there's no real point in saying anything to them - you'll just end up an asshole.
But I get you. I hate telling people IRL that I write fic, even though most of what I write is more gen than any kind of romance. But bringing it to a writing group... //shudder//

...was the fic any good?

[(Anonymous)]

I actually did this years ago. I brought a Star Wars novella I was working on to class to read, because at the time it was the only thing I was working on.

It was Darth Vader talking to Palpatine. It had what I felt were some good descriptive passages. I read it. There was stunned silence.

I am still embarassed all these years later that I didn't think to just do a find and replace all on the names in the excerpt, because presenting it as generic space opera/fantasy probably would have gone over much better.

Do you think you wold feel different if your friend had done the same?

Writing fanfic is still seen by most "serious" writers -- even serious genre writers -- as something shameful, and is disdained even more than porn. (Well, and fanfic porn!)
~ So it seems that most still feel it's better to just Hide Their Love Away, and they change the pronouns in the love song so that there's a a him and a her.

[nanslice]

Yeah. Fandom people irl found out that I ship Stucky and they got a little judgey (but only a little and in that way that suggests they've been in the very G rated parts of fandom, wherever that is). But I owned it and now we're all friends. XD

But I would never bring it up in a writing workshop haha.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a fairly private person, so I'm fairly protective about my social/professional image. I don't care if my friends know about my fandom/fanfic reading, and most of them aren't in fandom but don't care about it and I couldn't be friends with someone who actually thought less of me for it.

That being said, one of my college friends would routinely tell people I didn't want to know I was into fandom about it (like professors!), and I eventually had to tell her to cut it out (Yes, I know she was doing it on purpose to make herself look better in comparison to her, I just don't think she knew that).

On the other hand, I had a class with another college friend who responded to an assignment (we had to write about something that effected the way we wrote/thought of our writing) with a creative piece that incorporated elements of a Sherlock J/S fanfic. I was super embarrassed, before I realized no one in the class really cared and that I was projecting my own issues onto her. I think you might be having a similar problem, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

Ha, I once submitted my incestuous slash smutfic as an intermediate project for my writing degree. Back then I was miffed it only got a B, but in hindsight that fic was nowehere near as good as I thought it was. XD

I'm not sure if I would still do that today, but yeah, if someone feels confident in their fic, let them do it. As someone who's been sitting through many writing classes, a lot of fic is not any more self-indulgent and cringey than an average navel-gazing, wish-fulfillment sophomore original. And some is quite good.

I get secondhand embarrassment when people bring their fic to actual creators, or actors on a show, though. For some reason, that's crossing a line to me. I don't know.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it depends.

Is the writing group specifically centered around fandom and fanfiction? If so, I think folks have a right to bring what they want.

There's a time and place for everything. If you're judging people for doing something they're perfectly allowed to do, then you've probably ended up in the wrong place.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I definitely believe there's a time and place. I don't think art class is the place for fanart.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't think I agree with keeping fandom out of RL completely, because you might miss out on fun interactions. I don't even mean that you might meet other fans, but simply people who find it interesting and are happy for you that you're passionate about something. I do think that you need to carefully judge when and where you mention fandom and which aspects of it. Whether you like it or not, fandom in all its glory is still not very socially acceptable.

I don't know, I don't think it's just a fandom thing but in general I wouldn't share the same things with my colleagues/fellow students that I would with my friends, and again with my family. It's about privacy.

[(Anonymous)]

"Context and reasonable expectation matters"

I think it's fine to talk about fandom or fandomy things, if there was something that naturally led up to it or you know the people you're talking to already have an interest.

On tumblr or on a fandom community, you know you're all there for the same reason and there's a reasonable expectation that everyone is fandomy, just like on a message board for roleplaying you know what everyone is there for or has a passing interest in.

I would not randomly talk about fandom or roleplaying to random strangers and expect them to be familiar or interested in it and if someone brought an essay about how some literary figure totally was a level 10 paladin, I'd cringe. I'd cringe at the Sherlock thing because fanfic is based on the context and reasonable assumption that everyone has watched the show the fic is based on and why on earth would anyone who hasn't, be interested in your headcanon of these characters we don't know?

[(Anonymous)]

IA. I write both fanfiction and original fiction, but I'd never take a piece of fanfic to a workshop or writer's group for original fiction and the idea makes me cringe. I know people who have done it, though.

P.S. When you're making a secret that's just text on a plain background, there is no reason to make it this small. Aim for at least 500x500, or larger if it's a long secret.

[dani_phantasma]

Honestly I think the only big sin re: fandom IRL is not so much talking about it, but oversharing. And you know, not shutting up.

[dharkapparition]

I don't normally talk about fandom or fanfic to non-fandom people in RL. One person at our church mentioned she used to be really into fanfic and I momentarily got excited, but then she said she'd 'moved on' so I dropped it. My girls aren't into the same fandoms, but they know I 'get it' and they come to me with their excitement and squealing. It's fun.

The only writer's group I'm part of I met through fandom so fanfic is tossed around with glee along with other more serious efforts.

[litalex]

While I was in college, I asked some stranger hanging out at the campus LGBT center to read my slash fics, to check for grammer and stuff... It was fine.