[ SECRET POST #3318 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3318 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah "abusive" is the new hot button word now, which is highly counter productive.

But James Potter was always an ass and I wish JK had portrayed him as a better man so that I could actually care when he died. It kind of cracks me up that she is sitting there scratching her head wondering why everyone loves Snape so much when she never bothered to make James likeable other than to say, "He got much better." So what? We want to see it happen damn it!! XD It's hard to care about a character unless we have a compelling reason to do so. And no, him contributing half his genes to Harry isn't good enough.

[solticisekf]

he also fought Voldemort

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't do that good a job, did he.

[solticisekf]

even Dumbldore didn't do a good job...

[(Anonymous)]

It was Dumbledore's and Snape's machinations that ultimately helped Harry defeat him.

James just got himself killed.

[solticisekf]

Hmm... what if he bought enought time with his death for Lily to make the sacrifice? Like if not for him, it would be a fast 'Avada' in the back so she wouldn't even see it coming.

[(Anonymous)]

Instead of saving his family. That always got me that he and Lily chose to risk their child's life when they knew he was in danger.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, he said "Take Harry and run", you know.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get this at all. What more do you think he and Lily should have done? Basically as soon as Harry was born they went into hiding under ostensibly the safest hiding-charm in the HP world. It's not like they kept fighting even after Harry was born. It's not their fault their friend turned out to be a traitor.

[(Anonymous)]

Risk his life by...going into hiding in the most thorough way possible, even if it meant having to step back and stop fighting for the cause they believed in?

They were in hiding in Godric's Hollow. They were no longer participating actively in Order missions. The only reason Harry was in danger that night was because the man they chose as Secret Keeper precisely because he was unobtrusive enough that the Death Eaters would probably dismiss him as a possibility while still being a close enough friend to keep their secret loyally turned out to actually be a double agent, which no one could have predicted.

Or should they have not fought Voldemort before Harry was born solely because they might possibly one day have a child who might fulfill a prophecy that hadn't even been made at the time?

[arcadiaego]

Has anyone made the argument that having a kid in the first place was abusive because I bet they will.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the whole point of that arc was Harry learning that nobody was perfect, up to and including his parents. It deliberately flies in the face of the typical narrative of the sacrificial parent hero, instead showing that nobody - not even someone willing to go down the heroic sacrifice route - is a perfect person.

Honestly, the idea that nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean you can't do good things is a very key part of the Harry Potter series.

[otakugal15]

It may be, but...we are just never truly SHOWN James being a good person. Everything we heard about him was from people who already liked him and have a rosy tinted look back on him. In one case, a very very red rosy look back.

Then, when we are finally shown something that dealt with James, he was an ass. Completely. No redemption, just a straight up asshole with that shit eating smirk on his face.

I mean, can you blame many of us when we don't like James? I don't blame Snape for still holding grudges. Especially against Lupin, not just James. And the reason I say Lupin is because, even if he were teh more rule abiding one of teh group (only just so at that), when Snape was being so callously picked on in that memory, Lupin was basically just sitting off to teh side. In fact, the majority of the from what I gathered, Lupin didn't really actively participte in James and Sirius's bullying. And imo, that's worse than the actual perpetrators. That measn he did nothing to stop it. He just let it go on.

Now, we DID see Lupin became a better person since he was still alive and I think he may have apologized in some way? I think it's why Snape tolerated him...to an extent.

But James we never saw grow up. And tbh, he died at age 21. That's not a while lot of time to grow up from graduating from Hogwarts to dying after Lily had Harry.

But, once again, it all boils down to being told he was a better man as opposed to shown.

If she'd write teh freakin' books set during the Maurader's years, maybe that will clear things up. Though if she decides to write it from someone's perspective, I'd love it to be from Lily's. Not any of teh boys.

Anywho...that's enough rambling. O_o

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... It is James who saves Snape's life after Sirius tries to trick Snape into being killed by Lupin.

I'd say that's something.

[otakugal15]

Eh, even if it literally IS saving his life, it's gonna be very hard for someone like that to clear away all the bad memories and suchfrom the years of abuse at the hands of that group.

[blitzwing]

That's not anything at all though. "You knew your friend was going to cause a child to be murdered or infected with a terrible disease, and you didn't ignore that" is the bar we set for good behavior now?

That's the bare minimum. Preventing Sirius from killing Snape is something you'd expect anyone who wasn't a complete monster to do. It's not a point in favor of being a good person--it's a lack of a point toward being a monster.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that Lily would never have ended up dating him if he hadn't changed. Even in that memory, Lily still HATED James, remember? Her feelings for James had nothing to do with her feelings for Snape. Each was judged by his own actions, and Lily chose to marry James. That's proof enough for me.

[otakugal15]

Not for me. I want to see that change. Otherwise I'm gonna believe that Lily settled. Not that I wanted her with Snape (i don't ship tbh),just that I believe she deserved better.

[world_eater]

And imo, that's worse than the actual perpetrators.

The fuck.

[otakugal15]

He stood by. He could have gotten the teachers involved or he could have tried to talk them out of it.

I find inaction and passively letting something like that happen worse than the ones who are doing the bullying. And it's not like he was some unaware innocent bystander here.

[(Anonymous)]

Now, we DID see Lupin became a better person since he was still alive and I think he may have apologized in some way? I think it's why Snape tolerated him...to an extent.

Snape tolerated him? When was this, before or after he tried to expose Lupin's condition to his students by assigning that essay, or before or after he actually exposed the condition? And we don't see Lupin with Snape at any point after that, not that we know of. Lupin tolerates Snape, speaks respectfully of him, not the other way around

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

There is one scene they are in together - when Snape delivers the wolfsbane potion to Lupin. I don't recall the details, but I don't think he was particularly rude about it.

I don't think it negates what you say though, over-all I think Lupin was more tolerant of Snape than Snape was of him.

[(Anonymous)]

After how Lupin failed to manage his condition and neglected to take his medication, which required application of the timey-wimey device to get them all out of, yeah I'd say Snape made a solid call on that. I mean, I do get it was a highly stressful situation for Lupin, but in highly stressful situations it is more vital than ever he manage his condition, that is when it really counts. It'd be like an HIV+ person saying they could manage their condition all the time, except when they got a huge bloody cut then they panic and bleed out around kids who he tried to avoid talking about HIV to.

Snape didn't blatantly leak Lupin's condition until after Lupin went wolf, and while people say Snape went off-lesson and tried to blab during the Defense Against Dark Arts by skipping to the werewolf chapter, it was obvious Lupin was skipping out on that vital info for personal reasons even though Voldemort used werewolf activists. So Snape was kinda on the right side there. We see it as nasty, because we're seeing it through Harry's eyes and Harry likes Lupin a lot, but Lupin really dropped the ball on both his lesson plan and his meds. Nice guy, and nice personal tutor, but he screwed up big time and deserved to be canned.

[arcadiaego]

Sadly we're now in a fandom environment where everything is black and white, so even the small complexities JKR wrote into the world are going to be condemned as meaningless.

[(Anonymous)]

Like the anon above shitting all over Lupin because god forbid you get distracted because a murderer* is gaining in on your students**. Like, there's plenty of things to criticize Lupin for, but forgetting because his students were about to be killed isn't one of them.

*(a former friend who as far as you know murdered and caused the deaths of your other friends)
**(one being the son of two of said friends)