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-Uncle-Aunt/Nephew-niece
-Cousins relationship
-Second cousins relationship

And if you do, do they squick you out as much as 'close' incest like parents/children, siblings, etc. incest?

Bonus points if you list your country. I'm very interested in how different countries and cultures view this topic.

USA.

Yes, yes, yes, but none of the things you listed bother me as long as they're between consenting adults.

Re: Do you consider this incest?

(Anonymous) - 2016-07-20 23:28 (UTC) - Expand

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Re: Do you consider this incest?

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Re: Do you consider this incest?

(Anonymous) - 2016-07-21 20:29 (UTC) - Expand

Yes for the first one. Sort of for the second (depends on how they were raised). And no for the third.

The first does. The second and third do not squick me out all that much.

In the USA.

Edited 2016-07-20 23:16 (UTC)

Re: Do you consider this incest?

(Anonymous) - 2016-07-21 02:57 (UTC) - Expand

Yes, Yesish, no. But I actively ship quite a few of the second type. I do still consider it incest in real life. But in fiction not so much.

Yes to all... I'm American.

Uncle/Aunt and Nephew/Niece, major yuck. Cousins, yuck. Second cousins, still make me uncomfortable.

On the other hand, to me, "incest" is more about the fact that you grew up since childhood in a familial relationship, and the gross thing is turning a familial relationship into a sexual one. Blood relation is secondary to that. It'd frankly be less gross to me if two siblings who never met until they were adults and then fell in love started boning, than if two cousins who grew up together did it.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-07-20 23:23 (UTC) - Expand

Another USA: Yes, no, no. But like someone above said, if it's consenting adults, I'm cool with it.

I'm in the USA, and I would consider all those incest EXCEPT second cousins.

Far from being squicks, these are bulletproof kinks for me in fic. But cousin incest isn't as erotic to me as the closer relationships because i lacks the stronger taboo element that lends the kink its eroticism.

USA

1) Yes, for sure
2) Yeah
3) Technically, I guess? but it would depend a lot on how close y'all were/whether you grew up together/whether you knew them specifically *as* your second cousin, etc.

Also in general, my rule of thumb with incest (? feels weird to have one) is if it's intergenerational (i.e. parent/child, uncle/nephew, etc.) that's Real Bad; if they're consensual adults of the same age that's less troubling in general.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-07-20 23:38 (UTC) - Expand

Yes, depends on how much they grew up together/their relationship, again depends on their relationship--if they grew up together, yes. If they didn't, then whatever. When my parents got married one of her relatives admitted they actually had relatives with the same last name as my dad, but they'd "edited" it to make it seem less Irish.

Come @ me Irish hating anon :P

-Yes
-For the most part, yes, though if they didn't grow up together and/or with a 'family' vibe, it might work
-No

From USA

Yes, yes, and not-really-sure-but-kind-of. Because incest has a strict definition that we can't really say 'Well, it's not incest TO ME.' but that definition gets blurry when you step further out on the family tree.

In fiction I don't really care but I don't like to read incest personally. In real life I will ALWAYS be opposed to cross-gen incest because of power dynamics, unless the two people mysteriously never met before and didn't know. With second cousins, I don't care as long as they weren't raised as family (Although to be honest I'd be pretty weirded out and wouldn't want anything to do with it, I just wouldn't care that other people I wasn't involved with did it). With cousins I think I'd be really grossed out whether they were raised together or not, but if they weren't I'd probably just go 'I don't have an opinion on that, I'm staying out of it' and avoid it.

I'm American! I gather we're pretty 'prudish' about cousin marriage in most of our country.

USA

Yes
Yes
Kinda

The first squicks me out as much as "close" incest, the other two its more eeeehn and depends on the family structure?

- Yes
- Yes, but not half so bad as the first
- Nope.

Intergenerational incest squicks me out pretty hard, both because of the obvious potential for abuse and because 'instinctive eww'. Sibling incest has a similar potential for abuse, but even when there's almost no potential for abuse (such as if the siblings were raised separately and don't have the basic 'sibling' reaction to one another) it still squicks me pretty badly.

Cousins... I find it offputting, but not terribly squicky? I consider it incest, but still not terrible.

Second cousins doesn't bother me at all. Like, in the slightest bit. Possibly in part because I live on an island with a population of half a million, and my family's been here for... coming up on 200 years? So we're related to a LOT of people.

Canada. Technically they're all incest. The first one would be worse, mostly cus there's more of a power imbalance. With the other two, as long as they're consenting adults.... My best friend's parents were first cousins, which may explain the fact she only has one kidney and had two uteruses.

Also, when I was in high school (mid to late 80s) there was an incest "scandal" in a neighbouring area. It was multigenerational and involved parents, kids, extended family. They were a poor family living on one of the mountains; they lived in shacks with no electricity or running water. Few of the adults had gone to school (and some were mentally disabled). And when the RCMP questioned them, most freely admitted to what they had done. There was physical and mental abuse as well. Sad thing is, I'm sure they weren't the only family that was happening in.

Re: Do you consider this incest?

(Anonymous) - 2016-07-21 02:42 (UTC) - Expand

This is a complicated thing for me, because blood, whether or not they were raised together, and adopted/step played a big part of whether or not it makes me nope or not.

In real life:

If the couple has the potential to create children is a HUGE nope for me.

Blood related and raised together is also a huge nope.

Cousins/second cousins are case by case for me. Adopted and step siblings who were raised together are also case by case.

Adopted and step siblings that weren't raised together don't bother me at all.

Fiction:

Anything goes in fiction. There's some that I prefer over others, but real people aren't involved, so it doesn't bother me at all.

I'm from the US.

Edited 2016-07-21 00:26 (UTC)

Yes to all. Although this might be skewed a bit because I'm closer to my second cousin than to my first cousins.

And to me it is more about the relationship and the power dynamic involved. So as another person in the thread said, I'd have less of an issue with siblings or cousins or whatever who were raised apart and ended up meeting and having a relationship than I would with second cousins who were raised like me and my second cousin or who otherwise had a power dynamic imbalance having a relationship. (Like I have cousins who are more than 20 years older than I am. If I had gotten into a relationship with one of them, there would have been power dynamic issues.)

And I'm from the US.

USA, and the first one is literally some "uncle daddy" shit. Fuck that

Kissing cousins is also incest, but it doesn't bug me.

Second cousins is (as far as I can tell) not actually illegal in the US whereas first cousins is in some places still.

Assuming fertile, hetero couples, all three are technically inbreeding. The first is definitely incest. The second is not legally incest in most places, but gets kind of squicky from a sociological standpoint if the cousins have a strong familial relationship and kind of squicky from a biological standpoint if the family is already inbred or the cousins' moms are twins or something. The third isn't legally incest anywhere, and barring a close, familial relationship or a family tree that already has a bunch of loops, it's okay.

I'd consider them all incest and am from the US.

IRL I'd find the first two kind of weird; second cousins not so much (I don't even really know my second cousins). The cousins relationship might not bother me if those involved weren't close growing up, but hearing about it would still stand out to me as odd at first. The relationships involving cousins wouldn't seem as disturbing to me as those involving parents or siblings though.

The first just seems too creepy for me because of the closeness in relation, way moreso than (second) cousins. Although if the uncle or aunt weren't biologically related it wouldn't seem quite on the level of something like parent-child, sibling, etc., though the dynamic might still be strange if both were aware of their family relation.

Not trying to judge or say anything is "wrong" since I know my phrasing might be off here; just my immediate reactions.

Yes to all but the farther away the cousins get the less squicky it is. Uncle/Aunt with nephew/niece seems very obviously incestuous to me. Cousin/cousin is actually not uncommon in some cultures in Earth's present and past, but it still feels weird to think about any of my cousins that way. second cousin/second cousin I still would not do but it seems less gross.

Once you go so far out that you don't know you're related, and if you find out and are like, fifth cousins or farther*, then I don't think it's a big deal.

*not sure what the actual degree would be but it's...somewhere. depends on personal comfort level maybe? we're all related if you go far back enough, anyway...

ETA: oops, didn't see the last part. I'm also US

Edited 2016-07-21 01:27 (UTC)

Yes
Yes
Kind of??? (I have like 100 second cousins I've never met and don't really even know their names or where they live or how old they are? I guess if you're actually close I'd consider it incest, if you've met once at a family reunion not so much)

Uncle-Aunt/Nibling incest def squicks me out as much as parents/children. Sibling and cousin incest doesn't squick me at all unless there's abuse/manipulation/coercion going on, especially if we're talking about adults.

currently USA, formerly Eastern Bloc country

The first one, yes.

The second one, if you mean first cousins, then yes, but it can happen without problems. Mum has a story about a pair of first cousins who ended up married, their biggest worry was if there was any genetic diseases that might cause problems (There wasn't, so their children were healthy).

Third one, no. A lot of countries have little to no restriction on second cousin marriages, and just knowing how much of my own extended family I know, it is easy to not know your second cousin all that well (I honestly don't know any of mine, which is kinda ironic when I think that one of my schoolmates was my third cousin once removed).

Re: Do you consider this incest?

mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com - 2016-07-21 03:52 (UTC) - Expand

Cousins, no. Not incest. Can be a pain in the butt if you date & break up....

Uncle or aunt with niece or nephew--that's too close for me. Incest might be too a strong word, but wow, that's close.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-07-21 12:24 (UTC) - Expand

Canada, and: yes, no, no.

(I spent a lot of time in church exploring the weirder bits of the Book of Common Prayer and noticed early on that the Table of Kindred and Affinity didn't say anything about it being forbidden to marry your cousin, so.)

yes to all three. tbh it's not the incest that squicks me out it's basically the power imbalance, large age difference, etc. if it's consenting, then it's their life.

australia

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