[ SECRET POST #4018 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4018 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

This is the exact reason I love older films. They feel so transgressive by today's standards.

[(Anonymous)]

But like... it seems to me that transgressiveness is not always a good thing in and of itself, and this seems like a perfect example of how and why that is.

[thewakokid]

This is kinda true

[(Anonymous)]

Your reaction to a film is your reaction and you shouldn't feel bad about that and anyone who thinks it makes you a "special snowflake" can get fucked.

[thewakokid]

This is also true.

[(Anonymous)]

/shrug I don't think it's a big deal, though it seems like the easiest solution is to quit watching.

[(Anonymous)]

But I think that's the logical reaction. Don't judge because they didn't know better back then but be bothered because what kind of person doesn't have a negative reaction to sexist bullshit or racism.

[mrs_don_draper]

I'm curious about which shows you're watching. I know exactly what you mean though. Even the more progressive/open-minded shows had some seriously cringey moments/episodes.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been watching Quantum Leap for the first time - some of the social commentary hasn't aged well, but the parts that have aren't because they're flawless, but rather because even through the lens that nearly two decades have passed, they were visibly trying. I'd rather have progressive if misplaced than thoughtless, any day!

[(Anonymous)]

I recently started rewatching some of Smallville (so, not even a super old show), and in the first episode, Clark finds Lana in the graveyard talking to her parents' graves, and she pretends her father is asking Clark questions. First, her "dad" asks Clark if he's having girlfriend troubles. Then her "dad" asks Clark if he's having boyfriend troubles. And for like 1.5 seconds I was like, "Way to go, show! You were ahead of your time!" But then Lana laughs and says her dad has a "twisted" sense of humor.

I was just like, WTF? Did the show seriously just call it "twisted" that a guy could conceivably be having boyfriend troubles? Yes, yes it did.

I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of way worse examples, but I was genuinely startled by it, because that wasn't even very long ago, and yet by modern standards it's like, "How did you guys think that line was cool"?

[(Anonymous)]

I get this, because I recently fell into watching a lot of Westerns, because I'm very fond of the (entirely false) aesthetic and set designs and soundtracks. Only, I can't enjoy anything where the racism is TOO uncomfy, so I'm basically left with remakes made after 1990, and Blazing Saddles.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

That said, there's a difference between 'this story was trying, or at the very least wasn't negative' (i.e. maybe The Seekers, for my Western analogy?) and the other thing. The other thing can get fucked - there's enough media in the world to enjoy things without watching those that perpetuate the worst of our cultural and societal history - but if they're capital G 'Great' shows you're mostly enjoying except for the parts that are products of their time. Well. I don't know. In 50 years, we're going to look back and wince at how out of touch the media we're consuming now is, right? Hopefully?

[(Anonymous)]

Can you try The Big Valley? They were actually pretty progressive for he time. It's led by two kickass women, too.

[(Anonymous)]

I have a soft spot for Young Guns II. At least the dude being a racist asshole is called out on it and the cinematography is pretty good.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're the kind of person who's really bothered by racism, sexism, etc., then you should be equally bothered by most current movies.

[(Anonymous)]

In theory this is true, but in practice people are far more sensitized to the kind of racism/sexism present in older films, because there's been more time for certain forms of racism/sexism (like yellowface) to become generally accepted as inappropriate.

[thewakokid]

Everything is sexist, everything is ra... No, fuck it, this is the point where I can no-longer be bothered with this meme anymore.

Have a song instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eh_z3Z2y4M

[soldatsasha]

I think it's pretty normal to have a kneejerk reaction when confronted with something you aren't expecting? Especially to things that are so socially unacceptable currently. I don't think any (reasonable) classic movie fan would think you're a snowflake because you were bothered by a racist character or a sexist plotline or a transphobic joke.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't help when these things jump out at you and if it makes you not want to watch certain things, that's okay. Hopefully, though, it doesn't put you off all old shows!

(Just don't act like you are the first person to realize that old shows are products of their time and everyone needs you to point out the iffy bits.)

[nightscale]

It makes sense to me, sometimes I can ignore something off-putting in a piece of older work because things really were different back then, but there's also levels of bigotry that's hard for me to stomach.

And it also depends on if the thing was actually trying in some aspect, just by today's standards they would obviously come across as lacking.

[thewakokid]

I'm the opposite. I watch older shows and I love them for the rarity value. I'm like "Wow this could never be made today" and it feels like... I dunno something out of time.

What it does make me worry about is whats going to happen in 50 years? What shit do we consider to be perfectly rational and beyond question today that will be wildly out of place in the future?

But then there's also a degree of comfort in that. The future, if it remembers any of us at all, will remember none of us as good people, not even the people who take such overwhelming pride in how much better they are than me. They, too, will be considered monstrous by the standard of future people. Except, I suppose, future people like me who, don't give a fuck. People like me in the future will look the most kindly on the people who hate me today.

[(Anonymous)]

What it does make me worry about is whats going to happen in 50 years? What shit do we consider to be perfectly rational and beyond question today that will be wildly out of place in the future?

^this

[(Anonymous)]

I don't believe we shouldn't be holding previous generations to a high standard. There have always been decent people who decried racism and sexism and other forms of bigotry. Those who align themselves with hateful values shouldn't get a free pass simply because it was ye olden days. Humans of the past had just as much reasoning skill as humans today, they were plenty capable of eschewing bigoted beliefs.

I love some old movies, but they do grate on my nerves sometimes for this reason.

[were_lemur]

A lot of times I find myself cringing at the racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia in older things. Sometimes I can still enjoy the thing despite that, sometimes my discomfort level is too high and I stop watching.

Different people are going to have different personal thresholds for that kind of thing.

If someone calls you snowflakey or an SJW on that, I cant help suspecting that they're the kind of person who finds all of the isms in older media a feature, not a bug.