[ SECRET POST #760 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #760 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

101.


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102.
[Battlestar Galactica]


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103.
[Anderson Cooper]


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104.
[Hayate the Combat Buttler, Nagi and the Student Council Trio]


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105.
[Smallville, Supernatural]


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107.
[Nabari no Ou]


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108.
[Heroes and 'Gute zeiten, Schlechte Zeiten']


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109.
[Hellboy 2]


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111.
[Bleighton]


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112. [repeat]


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113.
[Psych, Dexter]


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114. [repeat]


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115.
[Supernatural]


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116.
[High School Musical]


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[PGSM RPFS Keiko KitagawaXAyaka Komatsu]


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[resized, not repeat]


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134.
[Kimi wa Petto]


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136.
[Scrooged]


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[Avatar]


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[Ghostbusters]


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[katemodern]


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[The Terminator/T2: Judgment Day]


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[Lordi]


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[Left4Dead]


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[Tokio Hotel]


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[Phoenix Wright/Ace Attorney]


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159.
[Kodomo no Jikan]


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161.
[Avatar, Stormbenders]


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165.
[Friendly Hostility]


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168.
[Being Human]


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173. [not a secret]


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[Hugh Laurie/Stephen Fry; House/Wilson]


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Comments

Re: 110

[(Anonymous)]

They weren't. They were just a product of their environment.

Humans are not evil. Humans just are. It's impossible for evil to exist if free-will itself doesn't.

Re: 110

[melengro.livejournal.com]

But the idea that free will (a phrase which is not, by the way, hyphenated) doesn't exist is philosophically questionable at best.

Re: 110

[(Anonymous)]

All of your actions are determined because they only exist as a consequence. If your life was to be repeated right as it was, you would take the exact same decisions without fault. It would require the environment to change for your decisions to change.Is either that or our actions are random as quantum mechanics propose.

There is no logically congruent argument in the defense of free will.

Re: 110

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

All of your actions are determined because they only exist as a consequence. If your life was to be repeated right as it was, you would take the exact same decisions without fault. It would require the environment to change for your decisions to change.Is either that or our actions are random as quantum mechanics propose.

Yeah, because that was a logically congruent argument... Get back to me when you've tested this theory.

Re: 110

[melengro.livejournal.com]

You really don't understand the arguments in question, do you? There can be two equally appealing options, or more, in a single situation. People have options. Hitler had an option not to take over Germany. Pol Pot had an option not to order massacres. Murasaki had an option not to become a great writer. People have options, and free will is perfectly defensible. Anscombe and Kripke have discussed it at some length.

Re: 110

[futurefirelord.livejournal.com]

That's philosophical bullshit. You cannot just sit there and tell me mass-murderers like Stalin and Hitler weren't evil because they were "products of their environment". What the fuck man? Seriously.

Those men were evil and they show just how dark humans can get when they want to.

Re: 110

[(Anonymous)]

Everything is a result of the long, universal chain of cause and effect, and so are humans, their genes, and the experiences that form them. So yeah, free will is pretty much a joke.

Re: 110

[futurefirelord.livejournal.com]

No. Bullshit. Humans have free will. I have a choice of whether or not I will make this post, I have a choice as to whether or not I will turn this computer off and go outside. I have a choice as whether or not to procrastinate or actually do work.

All of those are actual choices that I can make. My decisions are not hardwired into my brain.

Re: 110

[childings.livejournal.com]

If your argument is valid, then why do we even have a criminal justice system? If people are products of external forces and don't choose to do evil or good, then how can we convict anyone of a crime?

Re: 110

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Oh for fuck's sake.

How do you define "Evil?" Is nothing evil unless it has glowing red eyes? If you stop and pet a puppy once in your life, are you automatically inoculated from evil? If you have cause for your actions, whether its good or bad, are you automatically not evil?

Please, cut the crap. Belief in a gradation of good and evil doesn't mean that the two ends don't exist.

Re: 110

[melengro.livejournal.com]

I believe s/he was arguing in favour of determinism. Poorly.

Re: 110

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

I can see that now, but that's even more irritating. I mean, I'm glad she passed Philosophy 101, but she doesn't need to share her learnings with the internet on a barely-relevant topic.

Re: 110

[7thisgod.livejournal.com]

You're indeed right in that the most pressing issue in free-will is whether having a decision that itself was determined negates moral responsibility. Unless you believe in a soul as some kind of excused causa sui (self causing cause) you're cornered into admitting decisions are either determined by something ultimately out of your control or they're random. That's the libertarian's dilemma (with the term here meaning people who believe in absolute free-will). Free-will in the sense people typically think of it, in that their decision wasn't a matter a necessity or randomness and they were genuinely free to choose, is a conceptual confusion that is supported by the way we speak and write. The best defense of moral responsibility with determinism is by Harry Frankfurt but that redefines free-will a little but it's worth looking into if anyone's interested. He really captures why we feel we have "free-will" and animals don't and it's based on second-order desires (desiring to desire X). And if you want a much more succinct argument against free-will look up Galen Strawson's 'Basic Argument', it makes a lot of sense.

We assume free will exists because out society can't function otherwise. But you're right otherwise.

Not the same anon as above or op, just a random

[(Anonymous)]

You are the only person on this comment thread who really understands what they're talking about. Occasionally, you express yourself a little clumsily, but I really think that you get it.

Thank you

Re: 110

[anthraxpretzels.livejournal.com]

Why hello there armchair psychologist/sociologist/whatever you want to be today!

Re: 110

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Philosopher.

Don't insult psychologists and sociologists by confusing them.

Re: 110

[anthraxpretzels.livejournal.com]

Anon enjoys wearing many hats. -shrug-

Re: 110

[(Anonymous)]

I've never taken a philosophy class in my life. I'm talking from the point of view of a physicist, which is what I'm currently studying to be.

Re: 110

[etherealtsuki.livejournal.com]

Personally, I think all humans are inherently evil. We only learn kindness and good from others, mainly your parents (that's why role models are very important). Failure to do that can result in disaster more often than not. That's why people from troubled homes and environment are more likely to commit crimes and the such.

However, it is still a choice in the end of the day, unless you have a psychological condition that makes you unable to make sound decisions. It still frustrates me when people go around and say "I didn't know this person was capable of doing this!" Everyone is very capable to commit crimes, especially when it's in a group-pack mentality.

Even if a person with a very troubled background commits a crime, they still have to own up. It's tragic, but they abused their free will. Remember, there are people who managed to overcome those odds as well.

Re: 110

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Personally, I think all humans are inherently evil. We only learn kindness and good from others, mainly your parents (that's why role models are very important). Failure to do that can result in disaster more often than not. That's why people from troubled homes and environment are more likely to commit crimes and the such.

Looks like we've found someone even more fucking ignorant than anon.

Re: 110

[etherealtsuki.livejournal.com]

Whoa, chill, did you read the rest of my post?

Re: 110

[childings.livejournal.com]

Looks like you'd be locking horns with John Locke

Re: 110

[noni-moon.livejournal.com]

(That's why people from troubled homes and environment are more likely to commit crimes and the such).

you're REALLY overgeneralizing here. most of the nicest, kindest people I've meet in my life came from troubled and even exteremely abusive environments.

Re: 110

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Statistically, coming from a particular background puts you at-risk for commiting crime.

Re: 110

[agnes-bean.livejournal.com]

On a less philosophical note: right or wrong, the OP of the secret clearly does believe people have the capacity to be evil, thus the secret. Therefore, skyregalia's question still makes sense: if one does not believe in determinism, how the hell did one not already believe in evil, given historical figures like Hitler?